DB in the Coalition War

Rill wrote: Deranzin, I think Nokigon has made it clear that Kale was the one who saw war as a solution.

Maybe, but here we are talking about on how the problem was created in the first place and not the validity of any solution ...

Rill wrote:  I was on sabbatical from Illy when the war began (and for months beforehand), so persistent efforts to credit and/or blame me for the war don't really have much basis in reality.

Well Rill it is not me or anyone else who brought up Ryelle in this conversation, but you yourself, so I do not see your point ...  of what "persistent effort" are you talking about, when you run into this topic full speed to make many posts and bring the matter .?.

Rill wrote: I believed then and I believe now that it is possible to disagree with someone without desiring a war about it.

It certainly is possible, but this is not how this story seems to be unfolding ...

I think it's time for a secrets speech (and im not comparing the dominion to the USSR).

DB intended to implement a land claim some time ago. I even got to the level of mailing dittobite to tell him about my claim... But at thelast minute I chose to go about it in a different way. I just claimed the territory by covering it with DB cities. TCol intended to do something similar- their land claim was fairly irrelevant by the start of the war as they had covered the whole area in cities anyway.

The point of the above is to illustrate that the land claim no longer mattered especially to kale anymore. He had effectively fully implemented it by this point, so would have been fully prepared to give up the claim if offered something in return.

The dominion originally wanted the crowfed to be our allies, for no reason other than geography. We were prepared to give as well as take for this.

So essentially... The dominion wanted to be allies with the crowfed and would have given up the land claim for this. Your passive antagonisation, a contradiction in terms btw, eliminated this possibility.


Such is life.

Rill wrote: I still haven't received a copy of the mail Angrim cited as proving his point;

this is, quite possibly, because you have not asked me for it. it is, though, a good example of how a true statement can be used to leave a misleading impression.

Rill wrote: I think that living peacefully with a mixture of people -- even those with whom one might eventually have conflict -- is the soundest approach.

Rill wrote: Angrim has now forwarded the mail to me.  It was a comment on Kale's poor taste in invoking the term "Manifest Destiny" in part of the TCol alliance banner.  For those who are not familiar with the slogan, it was used to justify the extermination of Native Americans and oppression of others during U.S. western settlement. I am not sure how my objection to someone using what to me is a poor historical example came to be interpreted as a call to arms.  Angrim will have to clarify his thinking on that one.