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Sir Bradly 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 228 |
 Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 15:22 |
Dark was scouted when Sisren gave public support to Gim and said they would help them out. So we scouted a few of the officers to see what the troop composition was.
That is not an "attack".
Either way, Sisren, please forward your documentation supporting your attack claims. Geofrey will review and post after reading them.
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Taron
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Location: Hell Wisconsin
Status: Offline
Points: 81 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 15:50 |
So far I am no were in any way involved in this! But, as I remember correctly, if an alliance goes and singles out one member of another alliance (from previous history, if you don’t remember then….. I cannot say anything more for it would get me in trouble), it is an act of war against all members. As well if there is even clarification of intentions (like singling out a person to ‘Hurt’), this means a complete annihilation of that alliance (another thing I have learned in previous and resent history). At least that’s how I see it now. Ya I have No proof, or any involvement but as I know, ~NC~ has decided to wipe out an alliance, which from my knowledge isn’t allowed in the Illyriad community, otherwise supposable a month ago one alliance would have ‘Supposable’ (to Illyriads records of being able to predict the future) Annihilated another (which they will be nameless but one deals with Norse Mythology and a road that is long).
As I said I have no idea what’s really going on but this is how I see it sense Illyriad community has convinced me that this is how I am supposed to see any form of war. Cause the community not involved is right…. Right?
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I am Responsible for what I say.
I Am not responsible for what you understand.
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Vanerin
Forum Warrior
Joined: 05 Oct 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 418 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 16:00 |
Taron,
I think you might be in the wrong thread...
This one appears to be about Dark's situation with NC. This is not about any perception of one alliance "bullying/annihilating/singling-out/etc" another one.
Princess Xanax and Sir Bradly,
Thank you for clarifying about the diplomats.
~Vanerin
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Vibs
Greenhorn
Joined: 29 Jan 2012
Location: India
Status: Offline
Points: 100 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 16:35 |
 ES2 wrote:
Does that mean other crow alliances will back Kcrow then? |
I don't speak for all the crows. Just KCrow. Our support of STEEL is independent as of now and is limited to defending STEEL cities.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 401 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 16:42 |
Sir Bradly wrote:
Dark was scouted when Sisren gave public support to Gim and said they would help them out. So we scouted a few of the officers to see what the troop composition was.
That is not an "attack".
Either way, Sisren, please forward your documentation supporting your attack claims. Geofrey will review and post after reading them.
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My nickles worth...
If you send scouts or spies to most any of the alliances of Illy, it is considered an act of war and they will retaliate against it viciously. I'm just letting you know this before you try that little number on others and bite off more than you can chew. As far back as I can remember this has been a standard policy by most alliances.
So to state it is not an '
attack' might be from your point of view, does not make it so from other side and they will respond in accordance with 'their' view.
Just saying
Edited by belargyle - 26 Sep 2012 at 16:43
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1483 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 16:57 |
belargyle wrote:
If you send scouts or spies to most any of the alliances of Illy, it is considered an act of war and they will retaliate against it viciously. I'm just letting you know this before you try that little number on others and bite off more than you can chew. As far back as I can remember this has been a standard policy by most alliances.
So to state it is not an '
attack' might be from your point of view, does not make it so from other side and they will respond in accordance with 'their' view.
Just saying
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I thin context is key here. If someone randomly spied or scouted one of my cities, I would sure like to find out who and why. But if I involved myself and my alliance in a conflict and it happened, I wouldn't be surprised. While some/all the members who were spied/scouted may not have been involved in it, how was NC suppose to know that? An alliance involved themselves in a conflict, so they're scouting them out and see what they're dealing with. If it had of been sabs, thieves or assassins, that would be another story but just scouts and spies? I think that's perfectly reasonable.
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Vibs
Greenhorn
Joined: 29 Jan 2012
Location: India
Status: Offline
Points: 100 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 17:31 |
Brids17 wrote:
belargyle wrote:
If you send scouts or spies to most any of the alliances of Illy, it is considered an act of war and they will retaliate against it viciously. I'm just letting you know this before you try that little number on others and bite off more than you can chew. As far back as I can remember this has been a standard policy by most alliances.
So to state it is not an '
attack' might be from your point of view, does not make it so from other side and they will respond in accordance with 'their' view.
Just saying
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I thin context is key here. If someone randomly spied or scouted one of my cities, I would sure like to find out who and why. But if I involved myself and my alliance in a conflict and it happened, I wouldn't be surprised. While some/all the members who were spied/scouted may not have been involved in it, how was NC suppose to know that? An alliance involved themselves in a conflict, so they're scouting them out and see what they're dealing with. If it had of been sabs, thieves or assassins, that would be another story but just scouts and spies? I think that's perfectly reasonable.
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I would differ in opinion. Agreed Dark got involved. But their involvement was restricted to defending STEEL cities. No offensive action was taken by them either diplomatically or militarily. Any diplo action against their home cities is an attack.
Feel free to disagree with me people.
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Sir Bradly
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 228 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 17:50 |
Bottom line is Sisren claimed we attacked players who were not reinforcing Gim. Using the word "attacked" in that context is very deceiving. He left out the important details in order to attempt to further drum up support. That very point is what I am debating. DARK involved themselves in the reinforcement efforts. We would be fools to not scout them. They were at war with us before the declaration. A stance they choose.
That fact that DARK has to try to deceive the community is just an embarrassment. I guess they feel they need more support.
We have made zero attempt to deceive anyone. We have been upfront and honest throughout the entire conflict. We have nothing to hide.
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Sir A
Wordsmith
Joined: 26 Sep 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 121 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 17:55 |
Forsooth! It is I Sir Angus the Cunning! I am not a huge fan of forums but the recent events between NC/STEEL have forced me to make an account on here. I have a few things I would like to say. Prepare yourselves Illyrians, for this may be a very long post!
It is my belief, and I am sure I am not alone, that ~NC~ are warmongers in this peaceful realm. Being a knight of this fair realm and a friend of Gim I see it as my duty to intervene in this conflict.
This conflict was one sided from the start. Even after NC posted on the forum that they were responsible for the diplo attacks on Gim, STEEL's response was to send caravans with resources to their towns. STEEL never had any intention of fighting back, even when NC forced their hand. If you want a fight so bad, you should start a fight with an alliance that wants one.
I believe that NC has been planning this for some. Whereas this likely came as a surprise to STEEL. As such, NC is naturally more prepared for this fight then STEEL is. They've made it clear that their style of playing is militaristic, which is fine, after all that is one way to play the game. But when you go picking fights with an alliance who doesn't wan't to fight, you can't expect everyone to sit idly by while you attack them simply because their leader annoys you.
I used to to play Travian where the stronger/older players farm the weaker players to take their resources. In Travian I think that is okay because it did not have nearly as much depth and there was an endgame. But Illyriad is quite different from Travian as I am sure every player that has played for at least a month knows. There is much more depth and having a huge military is only one way to play the game.
I don't see why NC are complaining about DARK and other alliances helping STEEL, they are getting the war they wanted are they not? Honestly what did you really expect when you declared war on a player/alliance solely because you are bored and want to have fun, and their leader annoys you. You got what you asked for, stop complaining now that you are getting your fight from players that want to fight. Or do you only attack those that are not ready for a fight because you know you can win? You knew that the Illy community does not allow bullying, its not like its the first time the community has stood up for peaceful players. I was going to post some quotes from The Electrocutioners original post and the other "reasons" that NC provided after they got negative feedback from most people but I am out of time for now.
All this being said, KCrow will support STEEL with words and actions.
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Sir Bradly
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 228 |
Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 18:07 |
Just to be clear Sir Angus, NC is not complaining. We just trying to set the facts straight so the community can judge the conflict based on truth rather than deception.
Everyone in the community is entitled to their opinion and certainly has a right to defend whomever they wish. We accept that.
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