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The Duke 
Forum Warrior   Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 464 |
 Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 20:16 |
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Well it would seem to you incorrect. I have proof in my mail and from my friends on skype
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"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."
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| Chaos Armor
Forum Warrior  Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 213 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 20:22 |
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If you have evidence that's enough for me.
I still say the fighting should stop though. A tournament only comes around every so often.
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| bansisdead
Postmaster   Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:02 |
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but they did, and I posted it in the earlier post, it described the reasons why gim deserved it according too NC. How ever you guys try and explain it, too neutral parties it is quite obvious what it is, an explanation as to why, or a clarification as too why they do not like gim.
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| Daufer
Forum Warrior Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:24 |
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No, but being part of large alliances or confederations certainly helps. Kind of like saying "By the way, I will be sending my troops in large numbers to kill your siege armies directly or to reinforce targets you are attacking, but this is not a hostile act and you better not start anything with me because I have a lot of friends to back me up!" I tried to make this point in an earlier post when (EOM)Harry was thinking of jumping in, but of course Harry and Rill had a different interpretation.
It becomes increasingly obvious that there are two viable paths to success in this game: One is to be skilled and organized, to use game mechanics and environment to your advantage and to wqrk in harmony with your neighbors. The other is to cultivate personal friendships with a few ranking members of powerful alliances and then do whatever you like, trusting in them to pull your fat out of the fire when you get into trouble. I personally find the first more satisfying, but the second sure is easier.
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| Daufer
Forum Warrior Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:52 |
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Steel = 296 towns = 296 barracks
NC = 85 towns = 85 barracks
Assuming that STEEL has friends willing to pitch in large amounts of war materiel and gold (which they do) so that they can build unlimited troops in every town, and other friends willing to do the bulk of the killing until NC has no offensive armies left (which is also true) it's more like Kimbo walking into a crowded bar and shouting "I'll take ya all on!". Yes, individually he can probably crush anyone in the place, but it's the other fifty people beating on him at the same time that are going to win in the end.
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| BlindScribe
Wordsmith Joined: 12 Sep 2012 Status: Offline Points: 168 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 23:09 |
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Sorry, but they didn't.
Explaining why someone annoys you =! the same thing as explaining why you feel you have a CB on them (unless you're going to say next that they declared war because they were annoyed with him...in which case, you'll be agreeing with me!...to get a feel for the difference, consider the functional differences between: "You violated our alliance's soveriegnty and refuse to leave...thus, we have a CB on you" vs. "I don't like your face...thus, we have a CB on you.")
Two different creatures.
IMO, of course.
For the record, I absolutely agree with you! It IS perfectly obvious that it's exactly what you said.
A clarification as to why they do not like/were annoyed with Gim.
It's just that....that specifically ISN"T a clarification on a Causa Belli (unless you agree with my larger point re: the reason for the declaration in the first place!)
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| Daufer
Forum Warrior Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 23:13 |
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If they don't like Gim, presumably it is because of his actions. His name isn't that offensive. The fact that they didn't lay out the reasons they dislike him at the start and that you choose not to believe their reasons once they did enumerate them isn't all that relevant, is it?
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| Halcyon
Forum Warrior  Joined: 17 Aug 2012 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 360 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 23:30 |
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Regardless of how some posters are trying to paint this conflict, Dark feels that NC chose in Steel a decidedly weaker opponent to attack. Dark is not a mercenary alliance and we do not wish to lose our troops (it takes us, as it does all, a very long time to mass those troops). We saw a weaker friend being attacked by an aggressive, much stronger opponent and we felt that we have no choice but to step in. Frankly, we are surprised that more have not done the same.
Even at this time, when our armies are marching, we would like to see a peaceful end to this wasteful war. Since NC is the aggressor here, we feel that it is up to them to say that they are satisfied and are returning to their barracks. We will immediately do the same.
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| Daufer
Forum Warrior Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 23:34 |
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I believe the reasons for their annoyance were attempts by Gim to encourage their members to defect, attempts to stir other alliances to attack them, and attempts by Gim to profit from their efforts and to manipulate negotiations in a third-party conflict on behalf of an ally. Perhaps I don't understand what constitutes casus belli but I don't think any of the first page alliances would just shrug it off either.
It pretty much comes down to whether you believe them or not. Clearly some people don't, or else their personal relationships with Gim are valuable enough that they don't care if he's done it or not. Granted, I doubt that NC could provide much evidence to back up those claims. No one is dumb enough to scheme and plot via IGM. The question is, is Gimardoran more likely to get caught plotting against NC than NC is to lie about it?
Mehhh... flip a coin. It is what it is and I don't care anymore.
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| BlindScribe
Wordsmith Joined: 12 Sep 2012 Status: Offline Points: 168 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 23:39 |
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Well...as I said before, I didn't bring up the point to throw gas on the fire, and people will believe what they'll believe, regardless of what we write here (I highly doubt we'll change any minds).
And, I commend them for their conduct within the framework they established (as I mentioned earlier).
That said, there's a fundamental difference between saying:
"Here is the reason we feel we have a CB with your alliance (a, b, c, d)" (implicit in this would be the idea that other avenues besides war had been explored and exhausted)
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"We don't like your face (or, more specifically, we're bored and annoyed) because of a, b, c, d....so the armies are marching."
You may call it hair splitting, but there's a fairly important distinction that lives inside those two phrasings, and as with any diplo stuff in the public eye, the devil is very much in the details.
It's a distinction worth mentioning, again, IMO
Edited by BlindScribe - 29 Sep 2012 at 23:43 |
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