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Raatalagk 
Wordsmith
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Canada
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Points: 154 |
 Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 05:18 |
Jane, if you read the whole thread, you'll see that's not what we're doing at all. This would have been resolved very differently if it had been handled in a calm and timely fashion. Instead, we're months late and there's been a duel in the meantime. And all this has been discussed
ad nauseam.
Vermino, I offered for tigre to lift his siege and immediately cease all hostilities, and for you two to work on hammering out a sov agreement up front stipulating who would have claim to which tiles. Actually my offer was very similar to what Malph proposed above. I even offered to ask tigre to lift his siege before any details were settled (and so, in effect, before you had to commit to anything), in an attempt to mitigate the damage to your city. But you refused to accept any proposal I made unless it involved tigre's exodus. To say that my talk was cheap and that my best offer was to exodus your city is a ludicrous distortion of our discussion, which I thought had been undertaken in good faith. It's not surprising that I couldn't negotiate with you given that you weren't willing to budge an inch on any front.
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Jane DarkMagic
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Sep 2011
Location: Tennessee
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Points: 554 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 05:34 |
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I did read the whole thread. It's a juicy one.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
Status: Offline
Points: 1857 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 05:51 |
 Hadus wrote:
Binky the Berserker wrote:
wow so many people involved in one duel. Shouldn't people let them sort things out themselves? I can't believe all of you really know all details on the subject, so why judge any side? Where 2 fight, 2 are guilty (my grandma used to say that and you know, grandma knows best). The more I read about this subject the more I'm convinced both sides made their mistakes. Give them a chance to solve things. |
They brought it to the forum (or at least one of them did), so it is expected that people will chime in. That being said, you're right, it is for them and them alone to resolve, we can't make their minds for them.
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What we are witnessing is a strategy. How successful it is is somewhat subjective. It is true that if the OP was allowed to do as he pleased (whether it be expelling his adversary or what have you) this strategy would have tangible success but the actual objective, in my opinion is to limit damage, which is much more difficult to measure.
edited to add:
I know my comments are off topic but I just can't resist adding: On a personal note, I'd like to point out how ironic it is that the only member of Aesir to successfully siege and raze a TLR town in their self proclaimed crusade is now in the hot seat. Interesting that once the shoe is on the other foot, things seem.... somehow different, hmm?
Edited by abstractdream - 31 Aug 2012 at 06:43
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Beecks
Wordsmith
Joined: 03 Apr 2012
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 194 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 06:06 |
Raatalagk wrote:
Vermino, I offered for tigre to lift his siege and immediately cease all hostilities, and for you two to work on hammering out a sov agreement up front stipulating who would have claim to which tiles. Actually my offer was very similar to what Malph proposed above. I even offered to ask tigre to lift his siege before any details were settled (and so, in effect, before you had to commit to anything), in an attempt to mitigate the damage to your city. But you refused to accept any proposal I made unless it involved tigre's exodus. To say that my talk was cheap and that my best offer was to exodus your city is a ludicrous distortion of our discussion, which I thought had been undertaken in good faith. It's not surprising that I couldn't negotiate with you given that you weren't willing to budge an inch on any front.
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If the point of this thread was to make BSH leadership look unreasonable it hasn't worked. Raatalagk seems to be doing everything he can to help the OP extract himself from the situation he finds himself in.
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SugarFree
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 350 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 06:18 |
i can't believe people think they can tell everyone what is right and what not.
this i neither extortion, nor anything, it's an issue blown out of proportion by a sour loser that can't get to acknowledge his loss.
there is no reason for any other than the concerned people to but into this in the first place.
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tigre
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Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Location: italy
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 09:14 |
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Maybe it's true that I should have asked Vermino, some others player I moved close I did when I exodused, because I felt I could disturb ...
We are both agressive players, and this lead us to struggle, but this is also what's the game is about ! our alliance AESIR & BSH (I don't know why Vermino changed during duel to REALM..), decided for us for duel, and we accepted ... I had only 80 k troops a that moment, for a 130k pop player !? I had that numbers when I was 70k pop ... So I was far from prepared and far of thinking I would win the duel ... Believe me or not, I was nearly shure I would loose my city ...
Now then, me bringing down his city to raze situation, I offered Vermino a way out by exodusing his city, because it's no fun to loose a city ... No answer from Vermino since, but his thieves are still hitting me hard to make his treasure grow to infinite numbers !
So this is it, I decided to raze his city (city was down to 73 pop), for me the duel is finished now ... I won't keep no bad thinking about Vermino, I hope he will stop sending his thief and accept in silence his defeat ...
thx
Tigre
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Southern Dwarf
Forum Warrior
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 09:54 |
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Some of us do not play this game for warfare so I wonder about 70k troops at all since I am nowhere near that number at the moment and I got 85k pop.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 10:06 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
Some of us do not play this game for warfare so I wonder about 70k troops at all since I am nowhere near that number at the moment and I got 85k pop. |
The gentle players do not get themselves into these sorts of situations, or if they do, they have a big alliance to scare their enemies into submission. If you are large in pop but small in troops, you should play it safe. The OP clearly did not think that playing it safe was warranted. Consequences are a beach.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Vermino
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Joined: 21 Aug 2012
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 10:26 |
Congrats Tigre!
Everything is going better than expected for you and you got away with everything you wanted, fully supported by BSH. You are getting away with things you'd never been allowed when you were in Valar. The future looks bright and shiny for you.
But sorry, I won't remain silent as you request. You needn't lie, except to cover your abuse, like when you proposed terms and changed your mind after I accepted. (you sure were surprised that the wronged part in this issue accepted your unreasonable demands). The 80 k troops is another needless lie (how many are a "sea" of siegers?). I can produce the numbers if needed, but its pointless. You chose your time very well, right after the war abstractdream talked about finished and I was extremely weak on troops, and you accepted because you had intel from my towns provided by BSH and your own scouts.
Raatalagk, you also played your role very well, with empty promises that never materialized about halting the siege if I later accepted your demands. It was ridiculous asking a ransom of 50 million for a town in ruins or to exodus the few stones that were left standing. Were we "months" late in the talking? I talked to Tigre a month and a half ago, when he just exodused. You both managed time very well, letting things rot on purpose. How unfortunate that Tigre was never available during our talks while my town was being burned down, when during the previous week he had been online several times a day to send attacks.
a few final notes:
abstractdream, I razed your town during a war and you never complained about it, because there was no reason to complain. I am not exactly complaining about my razed town, but about the extortion I been subjected to and the unfairness and bullying involved all along.
SugarFree, you acusse me of being emotional, but you also show a remarkable emotion: unconditional love for your friends regardless of what they do. It doesn't allow for a lot of argument, but it sure allows for snide remarks.
I hope to have achieved at least partially the purpose of this thread: to put some restrain in BSH bullying and that their victims have a slightly better chance. Sadly, even if I'm successful in this they will eventually go back to their old ways. Nothing has changed in Tigre since the time he was in Valar.
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tigre
New Poster
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Location: italy
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 11:46 |
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Blablabla ...
Vermino,
I have no fear of your words, my estimation is 80k, make me a liar, be my guest ^^
I had no intel from anyone, and BHS didn't suport me, only when I asked help after you received some from you alliance that was AESIR at that time ...
I was always available these days for talking, you just never took time to write to me again and propose me a new deal ??? did you ??? you could have proposed me 100k, that was my fisrt offer before you started crying you where a poor player with no resource ...
My proposal for you exodusing was fair, you still had 5k pop in it ... you twist words and time to claim injustice on yourself, when you had everything at hand to resolve situation ... never wanted to spoil you from your wealth, I have my own and happy about it ...
Anyway, I'm curious to listen to the people a was nasty with !? never felt like a bully guy .. don't wan't to be one ... and if so, I'm willing to apologies and learn from it, so do me a favour, let me know where a was evil and nasty ???
BTW, I also have IGM from other players speaking bad about you, I wouldn't be so proud of yourself ...
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