Crime & Punishment & Orcs (a.k.a. BSH)

Brids17 wrote: tigre wrote: But when vermino ask terms of surender, I said, move your city and give me 100 milion stuff .. he said that he could just only have 20 million gold, the poor guy had no money ... so finaly, we agreed on 50 million and his city would stay ... then by magic, I receive the report on one of his other city, over 200k of each adv resource and 25 million gold ... when vermino said he had dificulty to have 20million, can you belive that !! I was angry, and asked him 100k of all his adv resource, and the 25 million of his city .. of course vermino did not accept ... Here's my issue with this. You both made an agreement for 50M gold. You then broke it, by sending diplos to spy on him and then later demanded more. If that were me, I'd have refused to pay a single gold to you. In fact, I'd see that as an act of war. You broke the agreement and are now trying to extort more gold and resources out of him now that you know he has more. If you wanted more in the first place, you shouldn't have agreed to take 50M. Did he lie to pay less? Well sure but anyone would have done that. He shouldn't have to pay anything to you. You moved in too close to him and tried to steal sov locations close to his city. 4.5 and 5.5 squares *IS NOT* too far from someones city. Not my any stretch of the imagination.

But he claimed the sov when my city was there, just exodused !! are you finding every excuse you can imagine to take his side ??? some of these squares where there since ever, he never claimed them ???
I'm not saying I'm in my rigth 100%, but we decided to duel, so this is rigth ...

SugarFree wrote: a duel is a duel. the loser has to obey to the winner. what is wrong whit that? even if it's a trick, once you agree on a fight mano a mano, the result is definitive.

Hey all, just going to put a few things out there.
I myself was going to move to the spot where Tigre's town is. I decided against it after Crow didn't want a confed and Vermino said he wanted sov on the fishery there. So i moved somewhere else, a place that wasn't a problem. When i move my cities via exodus I send messages to the people around the area and ask them if they have a problem with it, to avoid conflict, which was the opposite of what tigre did, since Vermino and I didn't get any message about him moving there, and as I believe someone else said, how would BSH or any other alliance react to someone popping up less than 5 squares from their cities? Just because Aesir isn't a top alliance doesn't mean you can just ignore common courtesy all the time.

G0Ds

tigre wrote: But he claimed the sov when my city was there, just exodused !! are you finding every excuse you can imagine to take his side ??? some of these squares where there since ever, he never claimed them ??? I'm not saying I'm in my rigth 100%, but we decided to duel, so this is rigth ...

Just because someone doesn't claim sov the very moment they can does not mean they don't plan to. I still have sov near my cities that I haven't grabbed yet and most of them are at their max pop. People grab things at their own pace. Just because I'm taking my time grabbing sov spots around my city On Mah Radar, does not mean I'm gong to accept someone moving next to it and grabbing those spots.

And I'm not looking for an excuse to take his side. I'm tell you, you moved in too close and without permission and that was wrong. Furthermore, I'm telling you it's dishonorable to agree to some terms and then demand for more when you find out he has more. If the spies were already out when the agreement was made you should have said "Hey, I have spies headed to your cities, they're already on their way so I hope this doesn't change things".

I do thing he handled it poorly. He should have asked you move and never agreed to a duel in the first place. 99% of the time when there's a dispute both sides have does something wrong. I don't mean to say it's all your fault, there was obviously a severe lack of communication on his part.

wow so many people involved in one duel. Shouldn't people let them sort things out themselves? I can't believe all of you really know all details on the subject, so why judge any side? Where 2 fight, 2 are guilty (my grandma used to say that and you know, grandma knows best). The more I read about this subject the more I'm convinced both sides made their mistakes. Give them a chance to solve things.