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Sisren 
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Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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 Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 03:54 |
 abstractdream wrote:
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I could say "toughen up" or "lighten up" but they both fit, so I'll try this: "lighten the tough up!" |
I am sorry, but to this I must respond.
I cannot disagree with you more, in fact I categorically disagree - it is a fundamental fact that it is 'toughen the light up' and not the abomination you wrong above.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 04:16 |
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Ok... The point is made. I think we can stop. The bottom line is that everyone knows that yin has yang... And there is frankly no truth to the leaving thing...
And we can all move forward from here, no?
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The_Dude
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Joined: 06 Apr 2010
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 04:26 |
Kumomoto wrote:
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And we can all move forward from here, no?
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We can only move forward.
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Ossian
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Joined: 12 Oct 2010
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 10:34 |
The_Dude wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
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And we can all move forward from here, no?
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We can only move forward. |
We can and should move on yes but I just want to clarify something raised earlier. This thread was intended (niavely as it turns out) to try and defuse any fall out between Coalition and Consone players involved in the War. The OP wasn't intended to advocate one particular style of gameplay over another.
The OP I mentioned the phrase "Spirit of the Game" . Some raised questions as to what I mean't others convinced themselves that I was trying to introduce some argument that excludes wargamers.
In fact "Spirit of the Game" is a term often used by
"Wargamers" and also appears in competitive sports such as USA Ultimate etc. This is how it is defined
From Section 1. Introduction, item B. "Spirit of the Game. Ultimate relies upon a spirit of sportsmanship that places the responsibility for fair play on the player. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of mutual respect among competitors, adherence to the agreed upon rules, or the basic joy of play. Protection of these vital elements serves to eliminate unsportsmanlike conduct from the Ultimate field. Such actions as taunting opposing players, dangerous aggression, belligerent intimidation, intentional infractions, or other 'win-at-all-costs' behavior are contrary to the Spirit of the Game and must be avoided by all players."
I am happy to see that no such behaviours occurred in this thread.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 12:41 |
Grego wrote:
Once again I agree with twilights, Deranzin will never understand why someone rather leave whole game than alliance during war.
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No, I will not, unless the people that claim such a thing ever try to explain their argument instead of always avoiding the question ...
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Sloter
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Joined: 14 Aug 2011
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 13:58 |
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I will explain, what is it that you would exactly like to know Deranzin?
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Sloter
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Joined: 14 Aug 2011
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 14:26 |
Deranzin wrote:
Nokigon wrote:
Those that say that the Coalition are the sole reason for making people leave are kidding themselves. You overlook the number of people who either left because of sheer boredom due to no action, or who left because their leaders were too stubborn to agree to peace and stretched out the peace negotiations. |
Well, asking from some people to take responsibility for the way they lead or the way they follow, might be a new concept to some people, judging from some posts lately ...
Sloter wrote:
I know of more then 10 players from VIC who left game due to war , so i would say around 10% players in VIC left game due to war |
Why couldn't they just leave VIC instead .?. Tell us what was their problem in each case please instead of vaguely blaming the war.
What was the reason in each case .?.
Losing cities .?.
Losing in general .?.
Not wanting to fight .?.
Being forced to fight by their leaders .?.
Not having armies but being called to arms .?.
What exactly and WHY couldn't they just leave the alliance and go somewhere else and keep playing the game as THEY LIKED .?.
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I guess all this is a question
As for reasons in each case
loosing more then 1 city fas reason for several players
nobody has quit for loosing in general as far as i know
not wanting to fight resulted only in people leaving alliance , or in few cases staying out of fights but nobody has quit game for that
nobody was forced to fight, and nobody quit because of that
not having armies also never resulted in players leaving game
Few people have left game because they lost too many cities, many more ,left the game because they said that they no longer have interest in this type of game, they say that illy has changed too much,they all had choice to leave war and waring alliances but instead they refused to do that and they just quit the game it self.I even know players who have decided to quit early when war started but have stayed activ only until their allinaces were in war.They felt that lvl of loyalty to help out while war was on.Most of those who left said they were disgusted by entire situation and they did not wanted to invest more time or money in this game.
That is only what people have said to me, that is not my personal opinion
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 16:43 |
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Really Ossian? You are congenitally incapable of letting things lie.
And Sloter? Why on God's Green Earth will you not shut up about people leaving? Oooh you lost 10 members? boohoo. Big deal. Get over it. My two year old is more capable of moving on than this. You are dead set on hurting the game by whining about people leaving. You obviously care more about your little 10 person exodus than the welfare of Illy. That is telling.
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Sloter
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 17:06 |
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You are wrong Kumo.I did get over it, nor do i mind for most of those that who have left the game(with few exceptions) because now we see who we can count on in times of need.Only reason i am making posts is because i see that more and more people are saying strange stuff.First it was said that nobody has quit agme cos of war, then when it was proven that many did it was said that they could have just switched alliances.I have only made posts as reply to those desinformation.I knew that somebody will call me whining baby for simply saying that some things are not true :).I only recognize need to say few facts when they are contested by others and i will continue to do so when ever i think that reputation of my alliance is at stake.I belive that you do same for your alliance?As for caring for welfare of Illy my alliance has proven that when we fought to remove sieges sent on our confeds because they refused to pay ransom.That is indeed telling.
Edited by Sloter - 10 Apr 2013 at 17:07
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 17:21 |
Sloter wrote:
You are wrong Kumo.I did get over it, nor do i mind for most of those that who have left the game(with few exceptions) because now we see who we can count on in times of need.Only reason i am making posts is because i see that more and more people are saying strange stuff.First it was said that nobody has quit agme cos of war, then when it was proven that many did it was said that they could have just switched alliances.I have only made posts as reply to those desinformation.I knew that somebody will call me whining baby for simply saying that some things are not true :).I only recognize need to say few facts when they are contested by others and i will continue to do so when ever i think that reputation of my alliance is at stake.I belive that you do same for your alliance?As for caring for welfare of Illy my alliance has proven that when we fought to remove sieges sent on our confeds because they refused to pay ransom.That is indeed telling. |
Ok. I think I understand what you mean in this grammatical morass that is a stream of consciousness. And good! I'm glad you are over losing 10 members. Let's move on.
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