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    Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 10:47
I set this thread up after reading many of the posts in the -EE- Thread.
 
The Consone War was the BIG one! The largest war in the history of the game so far. Involving over 20 alliances: lasting almost 6 months and including battles involving more than 1 million troops. Of course the War took place in a Sandbox so although it has now effectively ended - the game still continues! Consequently players who participated in the war still feel that they have issues to resolve and this has become apparent in the -EE- Surrender Thread.
 
I think it is fair to say that we all of have to accept that there will likely always be wars in Elgea and The Broken Lands so long as our game continues (may that be for a long time yet Smile). We seem to very good at starting them. Quite good at fighting them but at a loss with what to do in ending them. 
 
Illyriad, by virtue of being Sandbox cannot be a game of "perpetual"war. We all saw the way in which the game suffered during The Consone War. Some of us have lost friends who quit because of it including players had contributed a lot to the game.  Some even  lost alliances and more than a few have lost cities. This is bound to create a sense of ill feeling between the main protagonists involved in The Consone War and this sense of ill feeling needs to be dealt with.
 
What is needed now is magnamity on the part of the victors not idle boasts and taunts. The victors will gain for credibililty if they show humility to towards the former Consone alliances, Likewise, those who surrendered are not doing the game any good by allowing old grudges to fester.  Wargamers must always accept that battles and wars end and when that happens the "Spirit of the Game" has priority over any issues that continue to rankle people on either side.
 
That is the time when propaganda, ill feeling,  serious differences in perspective must be set aside. Lets try and do that here, now in this thread Smile
 
Edit: Title amended to Consone/Coaltion War: Peace and Reconciliation


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Dont you mean The Trove War.
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or the Coalition/Consone War
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Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

We all saw the way in which the game suffered during The Consone War.


I take issue with your premise. The war was one of the most entertaining experiences of the game in which I've been involved. Every player who participated did so by their own volition and could have left the war at any time.

If your point is that there should be a more collegial attitude between the two sides I'll agree with that but hysterical posts about how the war was some great injustice trust upon Consone by the evil Coalition does little to further that goal.

Your posts in particular have frequently had such a frenzied urgency that one might think Kumo had stolen your favorite kitten.


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Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

 
The Consone War was the BIG one! The largest war in the history of the game so far.


There are many ways to measure such things. Taken as a percentage of the server I don't believe this was the largest war, although when we were fighting White 1000 troops was a lot.
 
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Illyriad, by virtue of being Sandbox cannot be a game of "perpetual"war.


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We all saw the way in which the game suffered during The Consone War. Some of us have lost friends who quit because of it including players had contributed a lot to the game.


I don't think the game as a whole suffered at all. Many eyes were opened, many delusions popped (painfully in some cases) but overall this kind of content merely serves to add to the sum of the game.  I can personally enumerate many who quit due to lack of such content - the fact that they went quietly (in most cases) rather than screaming their bitterness from the rooftops makes their loss no less important.

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This is bound to create a sense of ill feeling between the main protagonists involved in The Consone War and this sense of ill feeling needs to be dealt with.


Another badly supported assumption. A few posts in a forum do not define the 'feelings' of over 1000 players.

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What is needed now is magnamity on the part of the victors not idle boasts and taunts.


"magnanimity".  I think if it were possible for you look objectively you would see that it's approximately six of one and half a dozen of the other. Also, I notice you mention nothing about what those who surrendered ought to do - you push it all onto the victors (against whom you have already spouted many pages of rhetoric).

In short - your little missive obviously biased and full of unsupported statements-as-fact which are incorrect. It is thus completely unsuitable as a starting point for any kind of reconciliation even if we were to agree that one were required. It's simply another thread pushing a personal agenda from a biased viewpoint.
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 16:39
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!! WAR WAR WAR!!!!!!

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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

 
The Consone War... (see above for full text)
... pushing a personal agenda from a biased viewpoint.
 
^^Well, well. Will you look at at that ? Throw the Poodle a Dove of Peace and what does he do? He tears it to pieces.
 
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

In short - your little missive obviously biased and full of unsupported statements-as-fact which are incorrect. It is thus completely unsuitable as a starting point for any kind of reconciliation even if we were to agree that one were required. It's simply another thread pushing a personal agenda from a biased viewpoint.
 
No. I have no personal agenda. I am not a member of the former Consone, nor the former Coaltion alliances. If you look at my posts alomost all have argued for peace then mediation and now reconciliation. Neither am I seeking to gain personal Kudos. Hey I am just a simple farmer y'know (well brewer actually) ;)
 
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

"magnanimity".  I think if it were possible for you look objectively you would see that it's approximately six of one and half a dozen of the other. Also, I notice you mention nothing about what those who surrendered ought to do - you push it all onto the victors
 
I did mention  those who surrendered actually if you read my posts again. I am not trying to score points here in this thread. I honestly wanted to try help smooth things over, by giving you a thread to come to terms with the aftermath of the war. A little flakey maybe but that was the intention.
 
Originally posted by KiillerPoodle KiillerPoodle wrote:

Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

Illyriad, by virtue of being Sandbox cannot be a game of "perpetual"war.
Wrong

You are not seriously going to admit in open forum that the leader of Harmless? wants to see Elgea in a state of perpetual war are you?  Tell us ain't so KP. I'll be generous and give you a chance to "clarify" that point
 
 
...But seriously KP...guy...I just want to help Illyriad build itself up for The Broken Lands. Now is the time for us all to be inviting new friends back into the game and buidling up the player base. Sure the War was fun for some while it lasted (....for 6 months) but I think now is the  time to for us all to renew old bonds with the Devs and move the Illy we love into a new expansion.
 
You agree with that, don't you?  Of course you do. Attaboy Big smile


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Originally posted by Canesrule Canesrule wrote:

or the Coalition/Consone War
Amended the title of the opening post. My apologies to the Coaltion players for omitting you from the title Embarrassed
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whats your ingame name Ossian? 
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Although I see your good intent to try to start a debatable thread on a subject with noteworthy fascination, I feel this will turn into a slanging match and only end up being closed.
so on that note, I will not take no further part.
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