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Points: 74 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 10:11
Yet on the realistic side.....on this point it has been agreed....we have chosen Mananaan to be the intermediary for Consone, WE have agreed to this as well, This is a step forward for our group as a whole, and should it be found "unacceptable" let the court of public opinion show who is the real party of aggression without reasonable discussion.

 I cannot speak for all of Consone, as I am but one leader in a crowd of many, however, I can at this point (unless otherwise dictated by the alliance as a majority) state that WE are willing to agree to a ceasefire, not a full surrender at this time. 
 
 WE refuse to be bullied into a position of submission, especially after the exorbitant conditions presented before us. (which I offer to be released in full to any who ask, as I believe in full transparency, and won't be dictated to by the other party(ies) involved)

 WE were separately in the process of negotiation, as an individual alliance. We though belong to Consone as a whole, and have chosen Mannanan to speak for us as a group. It is felt that if H? is really sincere about re-establishing the overall peace of the realm, it can be handled in the realm of the public and not in secrecy (unless they have an overall deceptive ulterior motive in which they wish to hide from the rest of the community)

 Since H? has a coalition supporting them as a group, it is only appropriate that they negotiate with us as a group.....If this was a one on one alliance war I would feel otherwise....however a group begets a group.

 Once again WE are ready to discuss terms of a ceacefire, or peace via Mannanan re-establishing the previous peace enjoyed in the realm as it was before. WE, however, will not surrender to those that are the biggest bullies in the game.

 As the leader of WE I will state from here on forward, we will conduct ourselves as appropriate to current situations. Unlike other alliances WE will not hold past grudges as an account for current situations, WE will be the bigger person (or group of persons as it were). Not the children who hold the past accountable for the present. 

-Sajreth

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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 12:22
^^ such a small little elf, using such big words
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Points: 845 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 12:29
Originally posted by HATHALDIR HATHALDIR wrote:

If you want to postulate, trash talk and denigrate other people or discuss the current state of war, please do so on another Forum topic, lets leave this one for its original intention, one that is meant to be non-inflammatory
Thankyou

Originally posted by Sajreth Sajreth wrote:

In the words of my favorite musical artist, POE a.k.a. Annie Danielewski "You can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being."

Nice coordination there ...  LOL


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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Not that we are unhappy with our 10:1 kill ratio, but the next couple months will show a much, much higher city loss ratio. Watch.

I hope you still plan to honor your statement about not sieging people out of the game. 
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Kumo is right.... if the peacetalks fail, perhaps we could raise it to 2:10  Tongue

And seriously... as all fighting factions still are growing, inspite of the city loss, talking about surrender is a bit far fetched...

...let's put it like: We weren't happy to fight from the start, as it forces a player in front of the computer, and takes time coordinating. We aren't afraid of loosing, but such a long war tends to turn annoying after some time, and expensive in prestige for some players... Confused

Some former Consone alliances decided, this effort is to much for a game, and chose the short way out (and I fully respect their decisions, although I had been surprised about some of them...).
But the remaining alliances would like negotiations. I'm sure, not only at our side are players, which would like to see this war closed before BL starts. If it doesn't happen this way, we could fight on for years without having any results...

As for Consone as a group... we decided to openly state conections. We could have held them secret, too, especially, if we ever had the intention to fight anyone.
But after stating it officially, we damn sure want it to stay a group. I don't know, why H? is so harsh about seeing the "confed" thing deleted from the diplo pages... There's something like metagaming, too... Wink
H? showed impressively during the last few month, that they still can muster the bigger block of Confeds, and was successful in taking some of our confeds out of the war... Clap

Now, as you clearly are the number 1 again, why deny us our grown friendships ingame?
Let's have fair peace talks (and that goes out to some partly insulting statements from our side, too...). If not between equals, then at least between number 1 and 2 (or 2 and 3, no idea how big Crows and friends would be in comparison, no insult intended by above numbers...)

kindest regards,
Hora and Detritus


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Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Not that we are unhappy with our 10:1 kill ratio, but the next couple months will show a much, much higher city loss ratio. Watch.

I hope you still plan to honor your statement about not sieging people out of the game. 


Brids-- We haven't even come close to sieging anyone out of the game. The only folks who have left, have left because they emo rage quit. That's a silly comment.


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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 15:19
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

  If it doesn't happen this way, we could fight on for years without having any results...


This is the fundamental problem. You believe this to be true. We believe it not to be true. Your side of the war has been decreasing in size steadily every month. Time will be the test.

Until this attitude shifts, I think we are at an impasse regarding any talks.
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 15:22
Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Thought it was pretty simple as HATH stated, you want to negotiate settlement, talk to Mana, if not, don't bother. Threaten all you like, no-one is arguing any foreseen outcomes here and like Ander I don't care to lose everything, it is most likely the outcome. We believe in our defunct Consone entity as you repeatedly wish to slander it and we believe in its purpose, just as we believe the Coalition to be an opportunistic collaboration secretly arranged to maintain a hold on the direction of the game. I don't begrudge you that, I just don't believe it is the best way, opinions differ and so we are at war. So talk to Mana or don't, he is the contact point for Consone, apart from that carry on with whatever you want.

You miss the point.  Consone has no negotiating power.  Why would the Coalition negotiate for anything?  The Coalition is destroying the Consone alliances with each passing minute.  Consone needs to surrender to stop it.  

There is nothing to "negotiate."

A handful of leaders of the various Consone alliances that remain are blinded by their pride and have decided to fight until they quit Illy - we have seen several already bow out.  The rank-n-file of those alliances must now decide if they wish to fight to death or ultimately wish to continue to prosper in Illy.  
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 15:27
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

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And seriously... as all fighting factions still are growing, inspite of the city loss, talking about surrender is a bit far fetched...***
LOL  That is the boldest lie I've heard to date.  

Frost has disbanded.

Roads quit Consone.

VICX quit Consone.

WE was 5.5 million pop at the outset, now under 3 million pop.

WE and VIC have changed leaders due to the war.
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 15:43
You are losing, why would H? and friends want "fair" negotiations?

You rebelled and you are getting stomped. and really if it wasnt for travel times i doubt the war would still be going on :P
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