Consequences of negative res without stored res

GM Stormcrow wrote: Grisna wrote: Destroying the most recently created buildings in order seems like the best to me.  If you create a priority system then surely it is easy for people to use it deliberately as a faster alternative to demolition.  I can't see a new exploit openning up if it is always the most recent. In terms of the new buildings, you should address the resource with the greatest negative hourly rate first.  Delevel the most recently created buildings that have an upkeep of that resource first.  Once that resource has a positive balance you move on to the next most negative hourly rate.  Rinse and repeat until all resource rates are positive Precisely what we were thinking here.  Nicely summarised!  SC

Thank you SC

In spite of there being an exploit present, I still think we have yet to establish that the exploit is actually being used.
In spite of having had substantial food deficits in some of my cities over time I have only once experienced running out of food completely, and this was rectified a few minutes later, not because I related to it as an exploit but because I found it extremely inconvenient that my entire town shut down all kinds of production. With sovereignty available and the ability to found multiple cities before any minus in food production enters the picture (assuming all farms are lvl 20), its really not difficult making things come together via moving food around from town to town.

More over it has occured to me recently that the food issue presents an interesting opportunity for smaller players to trade/help their larger allies in return for resources, and thus feel that they contribute in a significant way rather than only recieve.

But I am supportive of the idea to delevel town buildings, I merely think, as SC earlier stipulated, that it may hit inexperienced players a lot harder than established players.
Ill leave the GMs to draw the magic line.


Edited by Tordenkaffen - 27 Sep 2011 at 23:22

intor wrote: Also, if there will be a set amount of time before buildings will start getting downgraded (e.g. 24 hours), it might be a good idea, that when food (or other resource) is restored above 0, that the timer until next building gets downgraded is paused for lets say 32 hours, instead of being reset. If the resource again falls to 0 before the 32 hours elapse, the timer resumes where it left off. Otherwise it would be possible for someone to bring enough resources every 15 hours or so to cover only 1 or 2 hours of consumption, and not lose building levels.

Tordenkaffen wrote: But I am supportive of the idea to delevel town buildings, I merely think, as SC earlier stipulated, that it may hit inexperienced players a lot harder than established players. Ill leave the GMs to draw the magic line.

I think there may need to be a few magic lines, as intor suggested.

If you are only slightly negative (say less than 5 below per hour), does it constitute the immediate deleveling of a recently completed level 20 building?  I hope not.

I think some warning is a good idea, and 24 hours is good enough for most people who play at least daily.  For my money I think a full week should go past before the clock is fully reset.  This permits anyone, new player or veteran, to go negative for no more than an average of 3 hours and 25 minutes per day, but still gives a generous 24 hour warning of an automatic building de-leveling.

Who should be exempt?  Since the prestige reward for inviting a friend kicks in when they reach a population of 100, and the 7 day protection period, I would think if either is true (pop<100 or age < 7 days) then you should be exempt.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Grisna

I share the skepticism voiced by some, that we hear about these changes, and they don't materialize, but I also fully support the de-leveling buildings  option if it can be done in an efficient way. 

I support the earlier update that was planned - sliding of the tax rate when there is a negative resource till it becomes positive. If there are negative resources at 0% tax, advanced resource/units queues should stop. Thus a sliding tax could lead to a partial or complete troop loss as well as stoppage of resource and units queues.