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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Location: "Look Up" Status: Offline Points: 979 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:16 |
Subatoi wrote:
The majority of players use their accounts to benefit the player, TD and EJ, Nesse and Odd, SS and SS, EF and Subatoi and so on. |
First of all, why was I not listed? (only kidding) Anywhooo - these accounts you have listed are not raising cities to be sacrificed to the larger account. That is what Rill is getting at... not one player having two accounts which can potentially help each other out.
Again, the fact that Silent was open about this account and it was not kept secret leads me to believe that this account was not suspended by his own choice... I dare not say more on the subject...
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:30 |
But the action benefits the player that operates the two accounts, that is what I was getting at.
If say I irritated Luna and she banned EF so I just possed Subatoi and I attempted to re-claim EF's cities through siege by Subatoi's account, you all would say as previously spoken above "this violates the rules, this is helping the account out". But having the two accounts in the same alliance that could potentially break sieges on each others cities would be helping the accounts out in an unfair way, no?
You'd be and people are, controlling potentially 20 cities at the same time, where two different people controlling ten cities could log in at different intervals and send reinforcements to break sieges at different times, thus potentially rendering a greater siege damage to the friend's cities, as it is currently you could be in the same situation but with the ability to quickly check your other account for incoming attacks, ready up defenses in 20 cities in a few minutes.
Is this making sense?
Edited by Subatoi - 06 Apr 2012 at 20:32
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:34 |
Having two active accounts help each other out is not against the game rules. Having an account suspended (either voluntarily or involuntarily) and then claiming a right to benefit from it in spite of it being suspended is also not against game rules since it is essentially a meta-gaming strategy. It is, however, wrong.
This differs from alliances claiming cities of suspended players because the alliances did nothing to cause the suspension of the player, which is against the interest of the alliance (because having an active player in possession of said cities is better for the alliance than sieging them to 25% and trying to find players who can take them).
A player who suspends his account or has an account suspended should not have any special claim over any resources of that account. That is what suspended means -- you are giving it up.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:36 |
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If alliances had a strategy of having players develop accounts and then suspending them to allow other players to siege them, this would be equally wrong. It also seems to me that it would be poor strategy. So far as I know, no alliance has attempted to do this thus far.
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Subatoi
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Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:40 |
One would say it's a form of re-cycling.
I am aware that you yourself Rill siege cities to clear the map from in-actives, would you not say that if you could you would absorb a few cities that others put the time into building *but for whatever reason went inactive* so that you yourself would not have to spend a few extra days - months on a brand new city?
Edited by Subatoi - 06 Apr 2012 at 21:12
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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Location: "Look Up" Status: Offline Points: 979 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:54 |
Subatoi wrote:
But the action benefits the player that operates the two accounts, that is what I was getting at.
If say I irritated Luna and she banned EF so I just possed Subatoi and I attempted to re-claim EF's cities through siege by Subatoi's account, you all would say as previously spoken above "this violates the rules, this is helping the account out". But having the two accounts in the same alliance that could potentially break sieges on each others cities would be helping the accounts out in an unfair way, no?
You'd be and people are, controlling potentially 20 cities at the same time, where two different people controlling ten cities could log in at different intervals and send reinforcements to break sieges at different times, thus potentially rendering a greater siege damage to the friend's cities, as it is currently you could be in the same situation but with the ability to quickly check your other account for incoming attacks, ready up defenses in 20 cities in a few minutes.
Is this making sense?
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Yes, it does make sense. - however, the players in the game (I am speaking for myself and applying this as a generalization, so I am sorry if this offends anyone) do not raise two cities to boost only one account. They level both up at the same time and enjoy the game. Leveling only one account (while using the other to pump the first full of resources and gold, will speed up the first account tremendously. Then this first account can begin a second account and pump that one up at lightning speed with resources from the first account. In essence, playing accounts like this will speed up your growth by probably 4x (that is a guess, not an actual number). This is in the game mechanics, but I would frown upon such tactics.
Also, notice the population of these cities... It is theoretically possible to have lvl 20 production in every city without boosting up any real population buildings... thus having the illusion of the cities being "worthless." Having cities lying around that are low population but also boost resources is ideal if you "farm" them later and ultimately claim them as your own. Many would completely ignore such a low level city lying around because they would assume it to be worthless - they would, instead, go to target the high population inactives... So taking them over with your 2nd (newly created) alt would speed this up even further...
Now, as this is not against the set rules of the game, I believe the word used was "unethical"
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:57 |
Players sieging and capturing cities of DIFFERENT players is not what's at issue here. What's at issue is a player who has (voluntarily or involuntarily) given up an account and then expects to still receives benefit from it. That is wrong.
When an account is suspended, the SAME player gives up the account and has no special right to claim it. The player is welcome to attempt to siege it in competition with all others who wish to capture said city, but should not expect anyone else to respect any claim. In my opinion, when a player suspends an account, he/she gives up any special ties or claims on the account. Attempting to claim such ownership is in my view unethical, and other players should not accept such a claim.
Edited by Rill - 06 Apr 2012 at 21:01
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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Location: "Look Up" Status: Offline Points: 979 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 20:57 |
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I am not accusing SS of this, I am simply pointing out that this is not how accounts should be used... but this is all off topic.
The point of this thread was the claim over these cities...
does he have the right to claim them? Yes.
Does Curse have the right to counter claim them? Yes.
May the best (man, woman, child, alliance, "Hell Bovine" - etc.) win.
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR

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Subatoi
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Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 21:11 |
You mentioned my signature, Sunstorm, I'm so honored.
Yes he has the right to claim them, as does anyone else. I have the right to claim the land outside Lloyrn's cities, but he "and his fellow members" has the right to counter-claim that claim and so on and so forth.
In the end you'll war over this but anyone that is actually interested in counter-claiming should do it in game instead of doing it in here.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 21:18 |
Subatoi wrote:
In the end you'll war over this but anyone that is actually interested in counter-claiming should do it in game instead of doing it in here.
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I disagree. I think the forum is a logical place for such discussion to take place. Talking here can resolve things without resort to lengthy and inefficient wars.
I do agree that one can metagame on the forum all one wants, but what counts is whether one has the ability to perform on one's stated intentions in game.
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