An Open letter to H? rank and file

Aurordan wrote: Well, it's comforting to see that even in these trying times, H? arrogance remains as strong as ever.  The more things change.   It seems that a lot of you are quick to forget that it was Harmless that acted the aggressor by declaring on Eagles Eyrie.  If you've forgotten why you're at war, that was what started it.   These are, in all honestly, pretty sweet terms.  If H? doesn't want to surrender, that's there prerogative, but there's no legs to the argument that anyone is being held at war against their will.

This is just more spin/rubbish. 

Hath was the self-confirmed instigator of a war for revenge which started with EE attacking TVM.

He hacked a Harmless account and made you do it, did he?  Take some responsibility for your actions.  

Speaking as someone who was forced out of the war due to RL issues and as such am not an active H? member I will still voice my opinion.

If the so called Grand Alliance leaders (or should I say Hath at this stage) were really so willing to make peace and move on they would have done the same what Soon, Shade, and Dark have done. By showing they still want blood and blood money from an already crushed and severly depleted enemy shows they really want revenge and cannot rise above their past.

Their actions now are nothing more than a bully taking everything away from someone knowing that others will not say much against them out of fear of retribution. The voices of reason have been drowned out and have been replaced by the voices of vengence and revenge.

I say to you get over it, be humble in your victory, save what dignity your alliances have left (Reading the alliance page proclaiming to support peace is a total contradiction to what is going on), and try rebuild the bridges that have been so severly burned.

Gragnog

Aurordan wrote: These are, in all honestly, pretty sweet terms.

"Pretty sweet terms" and "all honesty" as phrases are contradicting each other ... try "pretty sweet bait" and you might have a more believable sentence.

Nevertheless noone is biting.

Spheniscidae wrote: The whatever-you-want-to-call-us Alliance has requested for what amounts to little more than a slap on the wrist as a condition to end this war. If the leaders of H? want to rant on about dignity, evil and other metaphysical concerns, that is their choice but the blood of your fellow alliance members is on YOUR head.  Why these terms? Because we feel the leaders of H? who dragged them into this war and even now want to keep the war alive should show some solidarity with their members and former allies who have lost cities.  If you want to see how H? decides terms -  http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/just-the-facts-maam_topic4901_page9.html - KP shows that their "bruised ego" is what they use to decide how many cities should be lost as part of surrender terms.  Man up, H? leadership - and stop throwing your friends and allies in front of the bus to save your skin. On a side note - since we are rehashing the "driving people from the game" thing - where is Kurdruk? Cpt. Ganoes Paran? Jasche?

You go on sprouting offensive stuff like that which is only in the sphere of your imagination (unless you can cite even one H? member that is being "dragged into this war" or "thrown in front of the bus"  and for once PROVE your allegations, just for a change) and then you wonder why noone takes your "pretty sweet terms" seriously .?.

I do remember fondly the kind of rubbish your side sprouted in GC when I lost 8.9 out of my 10 cities that supposedly I was not moving my cities because I was a sat account (when your side knew I was spending prestige and till now noone can sit forum accounts ) and therefore you could destroy me and you would be doing the game a favor (those who remember Twilights GC campaign at the time about perma-sat accounts understand what I mean ) . When that ploy failed (I moved a city just for laughs ) , some people from your side started blabbering that H? left me alone, abandoned me and other such "nice" things, just to create an impression or "we didn't destroy him, their alliance abandoned him so no problem with taking everything he has, right ?!". Well, it was wrong and I made sure that I answered every GC stunt like that till you realized the amount of bad PR it was generating.

The funny thing is that all this nonsense-storm was not being performed by the ones doing the actual demolishing ... they had the warrior's dignity - and I totally respect them for that - to do what they believed was correct and not try to find silly PR excuses afterwards. On the other side, some people acting as cheerleaders (just a sideshow with no actual participation to the crux of the matter) where quite vocal and happy about the situation and got the respect they deserved, which is none at all.

Bottomline is :
Caw as much as you like, but this topic reeks of your desperation for some positive PR ... we didn't make it, YOU DID. You called H? members to reply and when noone "bit" on the bait you still ignore everything we said and sprout the same unfounded non-sense about "throwing people in front of buses" as if to convince yourselves.

Even if you ask a chocolate cake for our "surrender terms" in order to make them "pretty sweet", we will not agree to give it to you. And the "sweeter" you try to make the "deal" the more obvious it becomes to the neutral onlookers that it is a trap.

Noone in their right minds signs "pretty sweet terms" in RL without ever thinking that "hey this might be a hoax". And in this case, noone would really use the word "might" in that sentence, even for a second ...

EDIT:
Oh and something else. Since you asked "where is Jasche, here is the answer :

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/farewell-illyriad_topic4692.html

Thank God for people writting their own farewell threads explaining why they left the game ... this way other people cannot exploit their leaving and tossing around their nickname at their convenience like you did.


Edited by Deranzin - 29 Jun 2014 at 08:47

Hey that was a good one !
I am borrowing it, if you do not mind.

Btw, to not make this a spam message, I will say that I agree with you, but alas posts like Mr. Damage's get ignored and people keep making such threads again and again, like a modern Sisyfus with a digital rock ...

So, since they roll it our way, we are forced to hold the same conversation again and again ...