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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GM Rikoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 20:03
Anymore insults to each and I'll close the thread. Just stick to war chat and leave real-life out of it.

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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

The time for peace is now.  I hope that you will take the olive branch that has been extended.


Peace has not been offered, neither has an olive branch.   What's on offer is an insult and a last boot in the ribs.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DeliciousJosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 20:59
Maybe Hath did taunt Kumo in his very first sentence. That was wrong. That's why (imo) none of you guys should be talking together. There is too much in the past that have made you angry and the good words are ignored - or read in a wrong way - which results in the thoughts of ones brain becoming hostile... which then brings out bad things, mmkay.

*editted gibberish paragraphs*

Facts remain
GA won't stop sieges until terms are negotiated.
GA have reached out with terms that are reasonable. If terms are not accepted due to whatever reason, please counter.
NAAM are not going to pay an escrow, since they were actually joined the war defending a confed from you guys, which they took seriously and felt the need to lend a helping hand. That is exactly what you did too. The fact that they are still in the war, is because they are some persistent fellas, as well as many other good things.
H? say that the terms are not going to be honored, because some other terms were altered at another time. *edit: what other time was it, please clarify* Let's put that behind us now, because this time it is a lot more serious and it is somewhat about the future of Illyriad.

I personally don't want to see Harmless destroyed down to the last new settled towns, that you will most likely keep spamming, with resources fed from accounts not in H. etc etc. You will do everything in your power to not die, which is understandable..
--   but do we want to end up there?? -- 

Your move.
accept or alter or disagree


Edited by DeliciousJosh - 28 Jun 2014 at 21:49

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Yes, peace has been offered in terms of talking. The diplomacy pages can be changed when talking is done and we have reached agreement.

"If you really want to talk about escrow then from our perspective we've been extremely honest and specific about our intentions and goals while several folk on your side have lied and decived - so actually we're the ones who need escrow to keep you lot honest." -- KP in igm to ditto.

... and this is a direct quote from you. I would like to know (and so would everyone else I'm sure) what these:

1. Lies are and who needs to be kept honest. What has triggered the fact that you won't accept these terms?
2. Intentions and goals of yours are, from what you were thinking when you stated the above

Please remember I am not very involved in what has happened in the past and I haven't read 1,000 forum posts through the time of 2012 till now about consone me here, harmless me there, ditto said this, hath did that. These two people are putting all that behind them now and trying to work something out with you. 


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Regarding escrow there is an easy and simple solution to me to that issue both side's pay the same amount to an netural and mutual agreeable alliance for both alliance or one for each payment ( say h pays 2 billion to alliance X and GA to alliance Z ) for an agreed upon period.  if peace turns are broken then the gold is forfeit.

Once that has past the gold is transferred either back to original alliance or to opposing alliance's. That way it helps build trust between you both that peace will last as both will have something to lose if brake the peace. 

Then it is just down to if any more cities should be razed or captured ect  which are replaceable ( yeah with cost but replaceable in the end ) and any agreed upon other restriction's. Instead of the using past wrongs to make the war last ( if both sides want's peace LET SLEEPING DOGS LAY  as the saying goes.. )


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After being out of the game for so long, this is certainly a twist of events. 

A quick history about myself for the newer players:  I left the game during (and before the resolution of) the Consone war...abandoning both my accounts with their 7 and 9 cities.  I became disillusioned with H? after spending close to a year in their alliance.  Without going into my past too much, there is no reason I know of which would cast doubt on what I am about to say. 

What I would like to say is just this: If you are waiting for H? to surrender to your terms then I hope you are prepared to continue to wait...possibly forever.  Whatever else might be said, whether good or bad, H? has dignity.  From reading these posts, I fear you have already received your answer.  Expecting for another response, perhaps one more to your liking, will be fruitless.  That is, unless you are able to offer proof of the "sat" account in question (for which I have no knowledge regarding this topic, so I apologize for speaking out of ignorance).  Personally, this request seems reasonable because, whether publicly known or kept in secret, a sat account is a sat account. 


Originally posted by Shadar Logoth Shadar Logoth wrote:

. . . the bottom line is this. One side gave the other side a way out, just as it has been done in the olden days. You either accept it . . . or you don't. . . .
Regardless of the politics, an ultimatum has been made.  Decide how far you are all willing to go, then take action.  The longer one side stalls another, the more troops are produced to continue the fighting.

Best of luck to all parties involved. 

"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DeliciousJosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 23:03
Yes, SunStorm that is pretty accurate. We know about their stance and somewhat which strategy they have in place. Basically, we are informing the community about ongoins, as well as starting this debate to hopefully bring us closer to peace. The answers they have given so far in this thread are obvious. So are the IGM's I have recieved after sending this link of terms to all members of H.. They won't back down. They won't agree to anything. They are prepared to die.

And Korr, that is a good idea. I'm sure the GA would accept a situation like that, paying to a neutral and trusted alliance.

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Thanks once again to KP for representing so honorably the history and dignity of H? as he has done for years.  Cheers chief!
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:


I'm doing the same - our members just have more balls than yours.


Well said ... and this is imho the whole point to the matter ... they want a surrender for various reasons :

  • So that they can look good and benevolent even after wiping out whole accounts. This topic has this exact point and no other.
  • They want to finally make us surrender so that they can gloat afterwards and start various accusations like they did in my case for example.
  • They want H? to stick around and use it like a "scarecrow" so that their "not so stable" alliance gathering does not crumble and fight amongst each other. Without another powerhouse in the game like H? such frictions are inevitable, especially after the "funny" events of the last tournament
After all those years and all those previous posts and topics where such issues where thouroghly explained they just cannot think that we are actually that gullible or bereft of memory, so my guess is that this topic is not really addressed towards H? and its members.
 
I can only hope that the real "target group" of this topic can see through such obvious beautification efforts ...



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Of course it's not intended for H members, they've been very vocal about our united stance in this war.   It's a PR stunt, pure and simple.

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Mass destruction of entire accounts in which players have invested real money IS evil.    In a game where it takes years to fully build up an account, wiping them out reduces Illy to the same games we all left.   It's wonderful that new players are helped in this game, they should be warned they could lose it all on a whim whether it be a personal vendetta or bruised ego

I'm going to post this one last time, H never allowed the mass destruction of entire accounts, we set limits and knew when to stop.    So do what you need to ease your conscience, you cannot erase the vindictiveness of this war and the number of great players that have been driven from this game.  




Edited by Starry - 29 Jun 2014 at 04:42
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