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    Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 15:01
In the past fortnight The Grand Alliance has been in contact with H? leadership in a sincere effort to finish the war. What was offered is as follows

1.  forum post that h? has surrendered to our side
2 .  2 billion escrow NAP with NAAM
3.  EO/Kumo/Starry/KP accounts each lose 1 town, which will be razed/capture by players on our side. 
our seiges and attacks will not stop until terms 1 and 2 are fullfilled.

With the history and rancour felt on both sides we thought this an excellent offer that would be snapped up immediately.

The reply from Killerpoodle was No Surrender and No escrow. It was even suggested that NAMM pay escrow to H? The final insult was to suggest that dittobite was not he author of the IGM and that he should visit in H?'s forums to confirm the offer.

The Grand Alliance will now let the members of H? see the offer and if any individuals are interested in leaving the conflict, let a leader of a Grand Alliance know and we can think something up.

Other alliances that have already surrendered in this war would probably agree that this is an excellent offer, and they will probably feel hard done by.

The amount of complaining that has happened in GC relating to this has been extensive and constant. Mercy was asked for, mercy was offered, and mercy has been rejected by those who asked for it in the first place.

So what is the Grand Alliance thinking now, well we continue on with our program until something changes on the other side

HATHALDIR for the Grand Alliance


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Excellent post Hath, and I applaud the transparency in surrender terms.

A true and lasting peace requires both sides to make the effort - not just with words but with actions too...
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If you want to be open how about you post the terms you agreed with every other alliance.

In reality this post is merely a political move to try to combat the bad publicity your war of extermination has gathered for you.

We will not surrender - you will have to wipe us out and add that blood to what's already on your hands from the destruction of more accounts and alliances than all previous wars put together.

Lastly - I still haven't seen anything from Ditto to prove the intel I have which is that it's mostly a sat account at the moment - it's interesting that he could not even post this thread and you had to do it - kinda proves my point, no?

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KP,
Hathaldir has posted this post because he wanted to. He asked other leaders if they thought it was a good idea. No one had objections and most of us even encouraged the thought. We have had enough too and are now making an (in my opinion) huge effort to try and make a pretty fair offer to you. 

These terms have been boiled down to a tasty stew. This is an outstanding offer - you must see that?

So now your members can see what terms you have been offered. Let the democracy begin

*Edit* 
ditto is the real ditto. Sure he has been sat a bit but he is on skype everyday talking to all of us about things, this being one of them.

Edited by DeliciousJosh - 28 Jun 2014 at 16:14

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DJ - then it should be simple for him to prove it, no?

Also - given that we've reached terms with Shade & Soon and Dark has dissolved with most players going to a non-combatant we can see two things:

1) Peace is easily possible.

2) It might be more accurate to refer to yourselves as the "Not quite so Grand as it used to be" alliance.
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KP I was talking to Ditto at 8am today, I suspect your own intel is incorrect or this is just more time wasting on your part. He doesn't have to prove he is who he says he is, the offer is on the table from all of us.
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

DJ - then it should be simple for him to prove it, no?

Also - given that we've reached terms with Shade & Soon and Dark has dissolved with most players going to a non-combatant we can see two things:

1) Peace is easily possible.

2) It might be more accurate to refer to yourselves as the "Not quite so Grand as it used to be" alliance.

More sniping, in lieu of actual discussion. I can see one thing:

1) You don't give two hoots about what happens to the rest of your alliance, so as long as you can continue to keep your pride intact and your credentials as a martyr well burnished.
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I've never been fond of the whole Grand Alliance thing myself.  You may feel free to refer to us as the Axes of Good.  Or "those other guys."

The fact remains that "those other guys" have put on the table a reasonable offer.  If you don't like some aspect of it, you can reply with your own suggestion.  Wasting time demanding that dittobite post in your embassy to "prove" he is himself is an example of the arrogance that got H? into the mess it's in now.

The time for venom is past.  The time for peace is now.  I hope that you will take the olive branch that has been extended.
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If someone mistakes me. I won't tell it to him directly, put hope that he will realize his fault by himself.

If the case is that then i wouldn't accept the terms either.
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