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Poll Question: Do we need a change in alliances to allow more combat
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Points: 416 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 18:07
 "Powerful alliance management system to help you build and sustain your empire with other players". 

This quote is from the overview of the main page.

What I derive from it is the following: 
(remember just MY thoughts)

You can choose to be a renegade player or  you can choose to be an alliance member/or of leadership in creating your own alliance.

When you chose the former, you follow your own rules.  When you chose the latter, then you follow the rules of the leadership/alliance. My understanding would be to protect territory and other players of my alliance. Certain alliances make understandings that their gameplay will be territorial and friction could/will be based on intrusion of claimed "state". We are willy nilly over all states, and that bothers me as to what to protect? 

I haven't found a reason to be a trader/supplier, short of amassing LOTS of gold.
Ditto to T2 resources, other than to sell and supply my alliance, of which pretty soon everyone has a lot of everything to do what?.
Ditto to Magic  because I cannot use it to "spell" an enemy -- what enemy or NPC? What/where am I claiming to be useful in the magic realm?

We can seige all the abandoned cities to our hearts content (with asking for them and some without of course, of which some friction occurs) and there we are in another state somewhere with the exodus plan of going from a burgeoning city to a small town (oh how I hate exodus).

After I reached all the levels of city building and research and am a highly resourced and troop ready player -- now what?  My alliance HAS helped me build my empire, but once I have reached all i can be (and its coming), day to day maintenance has got to be boring. 

Just my 2 pence at this point in time.  The new developments from the devs surely must be more interesting than the above mentioned. And people are waiting for it. 

I realize I am fairly new in Illy, and I did come from Evony where it has become - In my opinion -  impossible to play "fairly" due to the introduction of HIGHLY amassed players that Evony did not expect and cannot fathom how to change. 

I'm not going to vote because none of the options suit me. I want to know where this game is going for the long term and how soon (hint hint developers) the players will know? Getting prepared for something is better than plodding along not knowing.  NEXXXXXXXXXXXT (LoL) Embarrassed
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Points: 69 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 18:10
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

That's an interesting perspective.  I do think that there are other games out there that capture the qualities that twilights (gameplayer) describes, and that there's not much need for Illy to become another one of them.

I also think that everyone can have fun in different ways without interfering with each other.  Illy is a big place, and there is room for plenty of playstyles.  The idea that "everyone" has to be warlike or "everyone" has to be peaceful is a false dichotomy.  Some people can be more warlike, others can be more peaceful.  

My preference would be that the peaceful people be allowed to live in peace.  Those who do not respect my preference in reference to me or my allies will feel the edge of my sword.  Just because I prefer peace does not mean I cannot make war.

I do see a trend where people who claim to want more war spend a lot more time talking about fighting than actually doing it.  Others are quick to cry hypocrisy and/or wolf, so I shall not do that here.  Although I don't agree with LWO's choice to attack an alliance that preferred to be peaceful, I do give them credit for putting their armies where their mouth was and actually making war rather than complaining about a lack of it.


I don't think everyone has to be involved but it seems like the general attitude for the regs is just let me sit here and farm NPC's while I get drunk in GC. Doesn't seem like a game to me anymore, it's more like Cheers. I'm not beating the war drum too loud or saying we need to start a world war right now, but I would like to see more conflict and aggression.  Ouch


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Points: 380 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 18:26
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by Subatoi Subatoi wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by gameplayer gameplayer wrote:

in my opinion there needs to be  new war rules, not as destructive, also coupled with faster building times, armies need to move quicker, there must be easier ways to move castles, the game supports a nonviolent environment, changes need to be made to make war more of a fun thing and less of an all or nothing thing, other words...make war more fun and building alot less time consuming, we invest so much time into building why waste it in a war?

So, basically, you want to play Evony.  Let me know if you need a link.

So, basically, you'll shoot down anyone who wants to have their version of fun if it interferes with yours?

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I also think that everyone can have fun in different ways without interfering with each other.  Illy is a big place, and there is room for plenty of playstyles.  The idea that "everyone" has to be warlike or "everyone" has to be peaceful is a false dichotomy.  Some people can be more warlike, others can be more peaceful.  



Really now?

I seem to know of a certain pvp that has been occurring in Ursor, pvp that was approved of by the two participants and now certain people are throwing themselves into the matter, would you not call that interfering?
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 18:32
Interesting Subatoi, tell me more about what's happening in Ursor.  Or maybe start a thread in the Politics and Diplomacy forum about it so this one doesn't get derailed.
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As most people that have seen me post or talk in GC know, im warlike, im a warrior, and i dont mind razing every last one of your 20k towns just for the giggles(and i did so in the LWO war)

I dont want any of these changes, i dont want any rules i dont want ANYTHING to interfere with any warring i might do, and i dont see a second alliance joining in as interfering but i see mechanics as such.

its called politics, war hurts and its supposed to hurt, if not whats the f point of fighting if it doesnt hurt, i want to be able to ruin my enemy, take from him everything he has ever done.

and yes i can get irritated at people playing police, but if they tried playing police with me i would let my choppas come down fast cleaving everything in their path, and that makes me care alot less.


Rill is one of the few peaceful people around here that i have heard that aint trying to push anything on anyone else, and aint trying to tell anyone what she wants(sure i missed some)

and I HATE ANYONE so wants to change the game from open sandbox to limited weak instance gaming..
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Points: 249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 19:39
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 
I do see a trend where people who claim to want more war spend a lot more time talking about fighting than actually doing it. 

This is a great point I'd like to call out. A couple of weeks ago, we even started a thread about ways of increasing PvP. It got what I'd call at best a tepid response/participation, and this during a time when there was a great deal of "grrr, there's too much hugging and snuggling, it gets in the way of decent action!!" from players big and small.
I didn't see a single one of those "stop with all the durn cutesy-cutesy" crusaders contribute to the discussion of how to increase PvP in Illy. The only conclusion I came away with was that the most outspoken "anti-snuggle/pro-conflict" players are more interested in bluster and complaining than finding solutions to the problems they denounce. 
I'll admit, it was a disappointing episode in my Illy career.
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 19:44
those wanting fighting wants real fighting, not weak boring sport competitions, I like and only want No rules, no mercy no hold barred, anyone who offers me, we can attack each other but no siege.. well thanks so i wont gain anything except system mails, how fun..
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Points: 249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:01
Okay, I hear you, Rorgash. However, what you described -- no rules, no mercy (but no sieging) -- is still a sport. Kinda like MMA. And there are also those who prefer card games. Or billiards. [this is a side issue; why is it all or nothing?] 
So again, to claim that there's this terrible dearth, enforced by the snuggling police/plague, then not have the will to engage the community in the development of alternatives is pretty ironic. (and I'm not saying you're not participating, to be clear; I quite appreciate your voice)
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:07
yea, i have kinda stopped being a complainer about the police except for fun trolling hoping to create more tension, but after the LWO war its been clearly shown that even if an alliance and players are crushed into nothing, no one will help them if they clearly entered the war.

Which is think should show those still afraid of the big alliance joining in. 

also, if you think our war war fair it wasnt, they were bigger then BSH but shortly after the start our allies joined in and we then totally outnumbered them, and NO one joined in to defend them.

People Feel safe to join in, you starting a war and the danger of getting jumped exists on both sides, if they join in some people will look at them with annoyed eyes aswell.

and H? really dont care im sure :)
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Points: 839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:11
...ah, I got a funny idea, only a random thought, but....   what about we send Rorgash some cash to attack all those players complaining about a too peaceful Illyriad...  Rorgash could have his fights, and I'm sure we would have far less players complaining about boredom pretty soon...  LOL

/me hopes noone takes this post too serious...  Ouch
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