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Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:

This would mean that Team A is "punished"


One of the reasons for this war is related to previous wars reparations.   Surely it would be far better to break this cycle and stop trying to punish and take revenge, as it will just be an endless cycle of wars based on previous wars.  Maybe the only way to move forward is draw a line and move on, without punishment or vengeance.
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Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:

This would mean that Team A is "punished"


One of the reasons for this war is related to previous wars reparations.   Surely it would be far better to break this cycle and stop trying to punish and take revenge, as it will just be an endless cycle of wars based on previous wars.  Maybe the only way to move forward is draw a line and move on, without punishment or vengeance.

Those are my thoughts exactly.  
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Originally posted by Sir A Sir A wrote:

 
Originally posted by Sir A Sir A wrote:

Either way once you start taking enough damage your members will start to leave and only the leadership and your most loyal/stubborn members will remain.  Believe it or not, not everyone in your alliance wants to lose all of their cities because they can't admit defeat. 


Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


Which, at this moment, seems to be all of us ... Wink

Well, believe it or nor Sir A what you say is false because everyone that wants out of the war, is indeed allowed to do so, by both sides. 


Well, Deranzin I am not going to argue with you about whether or not what I said is true or false but you will see what I mean in the next few weeks ;)  


What else can happen excluding that bold part, I wonder ... as for the "next few weeks", I think you missed the "at this moment" Tongue



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Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:


So my suggestion is this: that each member of Team A agrees to NAP's with each member of Team B and puts up a significant amount of escrow. This could be arranged on a sliding scale based on the size of each member of Team A. For example, Harmless? pay 1 billion per escrow, BSH pay 1 million.

This would mean that Team A is "punished" and I know from my dealings during the Consone war that this was, in part, part of the justification for the scale of reparations imposed on EE. However under this proposal, Team B wouldn't actually benefit unless  the NAP was broken by a constituent member of Team B.

This is as close to a win-win scenario as I can see for both sides

I think this a pretty clever idea. As I've said, I think the time to be punitive is during a war, with some exceptions that don't really figure in at this point. I also think some sort of agreement as to the amount of military sov that can be used is a possible alternative term in future conflicts, although it might be more of a pain to monitor than it's worth...
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re. Sir A and Bansisdead. I had meant to emphasize the word "punishment" so as to infer more of a slap on the wrist or a symbolic gesture rather than a crippling body blow of a punishment.

Part of me agrees with you that no reparation should be forced on another alliance. The other part of me thinks that it would actually do those alliances that have never lost a conflict some good to know what it feels like to not just be defeated but then humiliated with repayments.

I called my suggestion a win-win scenario. I was wrong. What makes it hopefully an agreeable solution is that it is actually a lose-lose result. Team A lose some money (note I am not suggesting loss of cities or valuable resources) and Team B get absolutely nothing from it.

Hopefully with no one winning in this scenario then we may think a bit harder about future conflict knowing that there will be no spoils for the victor but also no need for the defeated side to continue the war beyond what is necessary.

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Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:


I think this a pretty clever idea.


It was indeed ... its only problem is that it has 0% of actually being implemented Tongue

Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:


 I also think some sort of agreement as to the amount of military sov that can be used is a possible alternative term in future conflicts, although it might be more of a pain to monitor than it's worth...


Might as well ask for the account passwords while you are at it ... what is the next idea .?. Regulating the amount of farms .?.



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Deranzin,

I don't see why there is no chance of it being implemented. I think it is easier for some to go down in a "blaze of glory" than admit that this time they were on the losing end.

And let's be honest. Even if peace is secured we all know that it's not the end of the war. It's the end of round 3 of a war that has been going on since the game started. Most of all we all know that we will be back here in October 2014 squaring off against each other over some silly squabble.

And I welcome that. This game needs war to keep it interesting. What it doesn't need are worthy opponents such as H? or Dlords being reduced to empty husks. 

So let's find a solution to the current situation and get ready for you lot trying to kick our butts in 6 months time.

And, Deranzin this isn't meant to be antagonistic but if you think my proposal is unworkable then what do you suggest?

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Yes, Deranzin, your line by line dissection of almost every post from anyone not on your side gets old. 

Maybe try to make a serious suggestion yourself, and we'll try to refrain from quoting every line you post and making dramatic use of bold type in our responses. I'm pretty sure we can also hold back from more than one emote per post, too... Wink
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Haist.... "if you really want to STOP the WAR" - then SURRENDER even if you think you are on the WINNING SIDE.

/me thinks that would be the noblest move ever. LOL
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Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:

Deranzin,

I don't see why there is no chance of it being implemented.


Because noone will ever accept it, especially the winning side. Smile

Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:


 I think it is easier for some to go down in a "blaze of glory" than admit that this time they were on the losing end.


Only if you consider losing such a bad thing ... I'd like to keep playing the game, win or lose I do not really mind ... but suggestions that I might somehow have a posted list of things that are prohibited would transform the game from a pleasant activity to a chore, especially since BellusRex is now not only making suggestions for the issuing of directives on how to play, but also on how to post on forums ... Clap
 
Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:

And let's be honest. Even if peace is secured we all know that it's not the end of the war. It's the end of round 3 of a war that has been going on since the game started. Most of all we all know that we will be back here in October 2014 squaring off against each other over some silly squabble.


I appreciate your honesty, but this belief is one of the reasons that we will be hunted down till then, regardless of how many topics or propositions you make ...

and then you wonder why your idea will never be implemented .?. Tongue

On a more serious note, you just confirmed that what is in the agenda here is a bogus peace (the reasons for it I analyzed in the previous page) and not an actual one ...

Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:


And I welcome that. This game needs war to keep it interesting. What it doesn't need are worthy opponents such as H? or Dlords being reduced to empty husks.


Opponents will be found aplenty, worry not ... you will not run out of them any time soon ... LOL

Originally posted by Caconafyx Caconafyx wrote:


And, Deranzin this isn't meant to be antagonistic but if you think my proposal is unworkable then what do you suggest?


Do I have to have a suggestion in order to have an opinion .?.

That is a novel argument, but I might as well humor you ... so my suggestion is to accept the fact that rivers do not flow backwards ... Wink

Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:

Yes, Deranzin, your line by line dissection of almost every post from anyone not on your side gets old.

I was very critical of the OP's ideas as well and I do think that he is on my side ...

On a different note, you can add this to any surrender terms : "Keep Deranzin on low sov and off the forum" ... ( I think our Directors might actually be more keen to agree on those terms  LOL )

If you find my posts tiresome, exercise your freedom and do not read them ... last I heard only GM Luna was an active moderator, so I if you do not mind I cannot take that suggestion into consideration ...

Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:


Maybe try to make a serious suggestion yourself, and we'll try to refrain from quoting every line you post and making dramatic use of bold type in our responses.


I did ... and many times ... what did you not understand from my previous posts .?. I even analyzed the tactical reasons on why you keep pestering us to surrender, just a single page ago ...

Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:


I'm pretty sure we can also hold back from more than one emote per post, too...


You are more than welcome to do so ... LOL Clap Big smile Tongue
 
I, on the other hand, will keep posting in the way I like, since it is within the forum rules.
 



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