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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:



Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

 
Also, calling people ignorant just because they happen to have some different facts from you, is a bit of a bad form imho ... 



HAHAHAHAHAHA

But that's the exact definition off...

Oh nevermind. 


Funny indeed ... because:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorant

because ignorance is LACK of knowledge on an issue and definitely not when you have DIFFERENT knowledge on that issue ... so you are actually laughing while being mistaken ... LOL


Well, you're calling it "different" information, but it's really just information that she has and you lack, so I'm comfortable call that usage correct.
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Originally posted by John Louis John Louis wrote:


@ Halcyon – nothing prevents me from personally surrendering, except my values...
It is clear, however, that surrender is just not possible, it is not even clear at this point what surrender would mean. Team B already has its pound of flesh, if you take any more there really will be nothing left of Team A.

Team A's no surrender mentality is what places it in the dire situation of losing many more towns.

What makes Team A so special that they must be accomodated with something other than surrender?
Are you more righteous than us? - no.
Are you more honorable? - no.
So why is surrender just not possible?

What is it that Team A can't afford to pay for peace?
Cities? - almost none or no cities at all were taken from players who surrendered in this war.
Advanced resources? - I believe you have hundreds of thousands to spare.
Gold? - I believe you have billions.

All previous wars have ended with surrender or death. The choice remains yours.


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Originally posted by Arian Arian wrote:

Unilateral rules posted by Honoured Mule or Killer Poodle and not agreed to in advance by any other party are just propaganda.
it may be propaganda, but it is "just propaganda" only if the rules are not followed. if they are, then they are also rules of engagement. anything posted that favours one's own side can be called propaganda...that does not in itself rule out some other significance.

Originally posted by Arian Arian wrote:

some were threatened with losing everything - so I'm not sure what the difference is between then and now that everyone keeps alluding to.
i also remember this comment, from KP if memory serves. (i am not sure i see much difference between then and now, which is troubling in its own right.)

Originally posted by Arian Arian wrote:

No amount of spin will change things - if a player or an alliance surrenders no more cities will be lost
this would seem to be simply untrue if it's intended as a statement about "business as usual" in illy wars. many players have lost cities to surrender, some more than they have lost to war. is this intended as an offer specific to John Louis? is Team B requiring only exodus and not razings as a matter of policy? (and if so, would stating that be "just propaganda"?  Wink )

edited to fix my confusion between Team A and Team B. can we use Edward and Jacob next time?


Edited by Angrim - 02 Mar 2014 at 22:10
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Originally posted by Jenin Jenin wrote:


Unless you meant that you were selling troops ... but that expands a bit the concept of this game's trading, wouldn't you say .?.  LOL

Yes, It certainly does and that was exactly our intent - and it was FUN!  we knew NOTHING about war in here...


/facepalm you were selling troops, but knew nothing of war ... riiiiight ... why do I even bother .?. Tongue

Originally posted by Jenin Jenin wrote:



You are ignorant of the facts, Warren Gabriel attacked every newb near him and NC did as well after the NC-Bane war started.  I have our city charts and their IGM's begging for help - Sir Bradley & I will be going over those soon.


I am unaware of many facts and so are you, just like everyone ... our difference is that I know that I do not have every information that there is around while you pretend to know everything, even what I have in MY inbox ... 

Originally posted by Jenin Jenin wrote:


I kept my account from becoming rubble by not getting over-zelous about my position and took surrender - you are free to do the same


if this is so then your cause is not about "reducing nastiness" but just being the ones dealing it and with unlimited capacity LOL

Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

 

Well, you're calling it "different" information, but it's really just information that she has and you lack, so I'm comfortable call that usage correct.


And what about the information I have and she doesn't .?. Wink

she has some information, I have some other information to disprove her grandiose claims ... she claims that they protect small accounts, I have proof that they attacked them ... so I do not see where YOUR problem is ...

Branding people as ignorant for having different information, I'll say it again, is bad form ...

Originally posted by Halcyon Halcyon wrote:

 
So why is surrender just not possible?


Again with that question .?. This is getting boring ...






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I've yet to see evidence that you have any knowledge of merit, Deranzin.
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I do not want this thread to be derailed, honestly.

This thread is about discussing the possibility of a ceasefire as surrender (by Team A) will not be contemplated. Right or wrong this is what we have to deal with in reality.

So, what are Team B's objectives? Have they not already been met?

If all that remains is for Team A to surrender then, in my humble view, this war will never end. It will drag on forever and ever without end (or maybe there will be an end, but it will not be very pretty, that at least must be clear by now).

Team B is already in a position to lead the Illy community in the direction it feels is best for Illyriad. Lead by example, don't hold on to grudges and propose viable ceasefire conditions for all to see. A show of good faith may surprise you, if peace is what everybody wants, well, sue for peace then. Surrender aside, what are your terms?

Speak now, speak proud and true and lets see where this takes us. Maybe a ceasefire is not possible, but why not give it a try and see where it takes all of us Illyriads/Illyriad citizens...we may be pleasantly surprised.

At the risk of being accused of using real life situations inappropriately – Ireland, ceasefire – it is more or less a success. Sure, there may be occasional mishaps, but the UK and Rep. of Ireland is a much better and safer place thanks to a ceasefire – if there is the will, there most certainly is a way.
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

I've yet to see evidence that you have any knowledge of merit, Deranzin.


"Also, if players put up a Ward of Destruction I typically leave them alone.  BlackBeauty has Ward of Intentions up - I haven't sent any thieving missions but I figure armies are fair game.  If he put up Ward of Destruction (as Mimir, whipcracker, Kayasth, Halder, etc...) I would go somewhere else.  "

A part of the dialogue I was talking about ... Mimir is a 3 city account and he eventually put a ward up and made himself a not-so-tasty target ...  the full IGM can be forwarded to anyone that doubts its veracity.

I also wrote a full "how to defend" guide to be distributed to T-O small members in order to make themselves unwanted targets and make such attacks stop, but I am SURE that you and Jenin know everything about it ... Wink Tongue






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No one is derailing anything 
Although I would hope that in future posts you take some lessons in brevity, word walls tend to get skipped over.

Cease fire is not a viable alternative. Why would anyone have a cease fire to allow an enemy to regroup and build more troops?
Ridiculous idea.

We do what Illy wars have always done, one side surrenders and the war ends.
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No, occasional precipitation is reality we just have to deal with. The Coalition's refusal to discuss peace is a childish tantrum that we're under no obligation to indulge.

And honestly it's a little hypocritical to come here and call for peace when your alliance is so utterly unwilling to discuss it.
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why should team B accept a ceasefire just because team A are loosing heavily..as others have stated the decision to end the war is from the loosing side to surrender... simple.com
If team A decide they don't wish to surrender that suggests to me they are still willing to fight on...so this namby pamby post is total crap.
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