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I understand how some may look at it as extreme.  But the complete unwillingness to discuss moving the cities and the firm stance that they will continue to do it regardless of what anyone else expects put an end to our negotiating the point.  We could have like some have said, escalated in steps. Used diplomatic attacks, but what are thieves/spies/assassins really going to accomplish?  Plus, we had no desire to drag their whole alliance into a back and forth that would carry on and on.  This is what would have happened if we started going after the individual towns.  

Myll declared on his alliances profile that they are Not a peaceful alliance.  He says that they will wage war when beneficial to their claims.  How is using the same kind of force that they propose on their alliance page so far out of order?  Especially, since we are limiting our penalty to the one player who is promoting the issue. 


Originally posted by Flavius Aetius Flavius Aetius wrote:

I don't believe it's the policy itself that is being enforced, but how the policy is being enforced. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DeliciousJosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 03:17
I disagree with my alliances policy about the 10square "rule", Bimoda. What to do?

I think you should stop the siege on Myll.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 03:21
I don't really understand the logic of this argument. At first you condemned WAVE's actions for being outside the community accepted norms of Illyriad. Then, when people were critical of your raze intentions (which are also outside community accepted norms), you justify them by speculating about the meaning of statements on WAVE's alliance profile. If the entire cornerstone of your justification is the violation of community consensus, then violating community consensus seems like an awfully strange way to proceed.

I have no particular objection to you flattening this dude. I object to the elaborate dog-and-pony shows that seem to be part of Illyriad warfare. Brids is right, this should have been done quietly and without forum posts. I've rarely seen anything positive come from PR-style statements on the forums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aurordan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 05:11
Your stance here seems to be drifting more and more toward you not liking what was written on their alliance profile.  I'm just not convinced that's a valid reason to siege people.

This would, I'm pretty sure, have made it into public debate anyway, when the siege notifications came up, if nothing else.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RorschachRev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 05:34
What's to discuss? penalize the offending player and if his alliance wants to alter his behavior as a means of protecting him from his consequences then by all means, discuss it between alliances. Raze away - but be willing to allow the player to move his city as he should have in the first place. Lesson learned, on with life.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 06:17
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

I'm curious why this minor disagreement went straight to razing cities.
typically, a new settlement within 10 squares would (ultimately, if no agreement could be reached) be razed by the offended alliance. my guess (and it is only that) would be that, as the logic here is that Myll is standing in for the player who has settled closely, Fairy is simply applying that remedy to the leadership rather than to the actual offender.

so if Myll is actually playing, one might hope that he will take notice and make some response. if he is not, Fairy might raze everything he has and still have no remedy to the offence...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TanyaFairy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 06:29
Hi Everyone

no, the alliance has been told that if they still refuse to move the city or even negotiate about it we will next target Myll's alt. After that we will  target the next alliance leader....whoever that may be.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Steven Quincy Urpel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 07:22
WAVE does not appear to have any veteran accounts other than Myll's, so you might wanna reconsider your options if you wipe out his cities and nothing comes of it. Just my two cents.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bansisdead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 07:56
Originally posted by TanyaFairy TanyaFairy wrote:

Hi Everyone

we will next target Myll's alt. After that we will  target the next alliance leader....whoever that may be.



Originally posted by TanyaFairy TanyaFairy wrote:

Hi Everyone

Our action is solely against Myll



So are you solely targeting Myll or not?  You seem to be saying two different things.
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Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

Let it be known that we harbor no ill will towards the rest of the Tsunami alliance.  None of their other members will be bothered by us unless they join in the battle or support Myll (either with military or diplomatic units).



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