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Also, a little background for those that haven't read it.

From the [Wave] alliance profile:

Tsunami is not a training alliance, nor a peaceful alliance -- we will wage war when and where necessary or beneficial to our claims.

Myll's previous forum Post:

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/the-10square-myth_topic5529.html


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This game has lacked battles far too often and far too long," - Myll

Myll knew he was asking for trouble when he started this policy.  You can see from his forum post that he was inviting this to happen and that many tried to change his course.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zarhunt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 17:31
I am still a fairly new player myself and am curious as to when this started, I remembered looking around Elgea just before BL opened and thinking I would never be able to find anywhere to settle and not encroach. I actually wonder whether I would have persevered without BL opening as it seemed nobody had room to breathe.
I have not seen any of the attempted discussions or responses and have no knowledge of Myll's motivations but the lack of room before BL could well have inspired an aggressive approach. In RL I live in a country with an extremely low population density and this desire for my own space definitely transfers to the virtual environment. I offer this observation purely as a new player in the hope that it may shed a little light on possible motivating factors from a new players perspective.
I also suspect that many newer players think Illy is a war game which it really isn't as their is no way to even contemplate conquering even one country with a 10 city limit which gains you approx 200 squares in a world with hundreds of thousands.
When this is taken into account I find the refusal to respond in any meaningful way to the initial requests for talks truly bizarre and self defeating. I find it a lot easier to be nice than antagonistic and the first step in being nice is nearly always communication of some sort. It sounds as if Fairy would be willing to keep the option of discussing a peaceful solution open but is very hard if the other side refuses to talk and I hope that this changes sooner rather than later as communication before the war is always easier than communication after the war but either way it will require communication to end dispute not weapons.
 
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Honestly, this is something you should have just done and kept out of the forums. It's a personal dispute between two alliances and because war isn't being declared, there is no need to draw attention to it. This kind of stuff happens all the time, people simply don't make threads about it because it doesn't concern anyone else.  Nothing good will come from this thread. 
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Makes sense to me. Two alliance leaders upholding their vision of alliance leadership duties. Using diplomacy was not an end all answer. Using restraint is the guiding policy according to this thread. Will this cause another global war? Who is safe from claiming sov and it being recognized if alliances pick and choose just how many squares is "far enough" A global decision was made. It should be honored. Otherwise piracy of sov and all economics of hunting and mining, harvesting are under threat.  Perhaps the real reason why naps aren't working is that only those within same regions should be nap? Just a humble thought.
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The consensus is 10 squares.  And from what I understand, that has to do with exodusing rules  and such and has been a long held convention.   What people dont seem to be seeing here is that the talking started a long time ago,   when the first violations started,  with Sov issues etc.   This did not just happen overnight, or without warning.  
This thread was made to let others in Illyria know why all the attacks on Myll,  (they will come up in Global Chat) and to let them know this is not a departure from FAIRY's stances,  but a well advertised and thought out execution of the alliances long time policy of protecting their own.   So to say the thread was not needed,  is an injustice to the community knows all ,  and can be akin to some of the thinking that kept the Western Hemisphere out of both WWs for so long and possibly led to some of the agressor's in those conflicts  boldness.   Not to try to paste any participants in Illyria as any real life counterparts,  just I believe this was a good way to pre-empt some of the naysayers and problems that could have arose if ConFeds and Alliance members were to just blindly follow agreements. 
As for the Declare War issue,  yes it is semantic,   whether it is War on Myll or a "Police Action"  semantic to some.  But an important semantic in terms of what it takes to end the conflict.  


The above is purely my take on what is going down and in no way is meant to reflect the official stance of any party involved. Thumbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nokigon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 19:18
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Honestly, this is something you should have just done and kept out of the forums. It's a personal dispute between two alliances and because war isn't being declared, there is no need to draw attention to it. This kind of stuff happens all the time, people simply don't make threads about it because it doesn't concern anyone else.  Nothing good will come from this thread. 

I agree.
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Originally posted by Glin Glin wrote:

A global decision was made. It should be honored.

Not true. I do not remember any "global" meeting since I've been here and there is no record of such a meeting from before my time in Illyriad. Some alliances claim 10, others do not (I've seen one or two claim more). It's their policy. There is no consensus. There are alliances that want to use this policy and enforce it on others and there are alliances that disagree. Plain and simple.
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@Brids

You know that whether or not this post was made, there would have been discussions in GC.  This just made our position clear and on the record, and as I said before, I wanted to make sure the rank and file of [Wave] knew that we are not painting them all with the same brush that we do Myll.

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I agree, Myll's actions do seem bizarre if you are a reasonable and courteous player.  I'm happy to see that you seem to be.   Smile
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@abstractdream

I'm sure there never was a global meeting.  This is more like common-law.  The concept pre-dates either of us, and has been upheld by most alliances playing the game for a very long time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steven Quincy Urpel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 20:27
Didn't Myll announce that he was going to quit in GC a couple weeks ago?
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