A statement from the Dwarven Lords...

Rill wrote: The main question is, how do I persuade others to be willing to share without being coercive or exerting undue pressure?

Basil wrote: Five squares out is beyond practical sov claims in almost all instances. Four squares is farther than most sov claims can be considered worthwhile. I'm too small a fry (and too respectful and diplomatic), to test the territorial claims of bigger players, but I guarantee that anyone trying to enforce a ten square limit will soon find that that expectation leads to conflict.  Rill, you have 7 towns already, and good standing in a large alliance. You aren't concerned about finding space for your next three cities. But I assure you that space is running out for settlers if maintaining any kind of geographical cohesion is a consideration. Ten squares is far more than the great majority of cities need to take maximum advantage of their locality. In my opinion, an eight square declaration would be far more understandable and defensible. The very few sov conflicts that might arise from that could easily be settled peacefully (or not), by competing for the spots in question.  Either way, as I've been told by a few posters here, my opinion doesn't count because I don't have the size and military muscle to back it up. But if the GMs want conflict then excessive, unilaterally declared territorial limits will absolutely lead to war.

5 squares is not out of range. 5 squares should be about max that anyone should claim. I'll show you a picture of what a normal map looks like. (Don't know where your at, but this is what I normally see.)



You can see one town up at the top claim a spot 5 squares away, and that player is claiming level 5 sov on that spot. In the circles is two people that located close together. If that ruined building was actually a good food spot, there would be conflict because someone moved very close to it. That causes problems. That ruined building is close to 3 squares away from each town, so if both wanted that ruined building they would have to fight. If someone has to keep fighting for sov over and over, the bigger player will end up either forcing the smaller player to move, or razing that player to the ground. (It has happened.)

But since that sov is not what that player needs, he has allowed the other player to move close so they can claim that spot as their own. That is basically how I see most alliances going about this. As long as you don't try to steal their sov, they will allow you to be pretty close to their towns, if it is reasonable.

Quackers, those towns are only 7.2 squares apart. Your example is irrelevant.

Basil wrote: I know, Rill. I didn't mean to pick on you. You're by far the easiest player to get along with in Illy. But my idea of claiming more space than they need is apparently different than yours. I think 10 squares is needlessly excessive.

Basil wrote: I know, Rill. I didn't mean to pick on you. You're by far the easiest player to get along with in Illy. But my idea of claiming more space than they need is apparently different than yours. I think 10 squares is needlessly excessive.