A New Approach To Peace, Version 2.0 |
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Velociryx 
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 Quote Reply  Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 06:13 |
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The analogy was apt, and I stand by it.
You don't have to agree. That's fine. And all the terms have still been met by the amended offer above. |
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| Velociryx
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 07:23 |
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And for the record, I understand the context very well. Take your own advice and consult a map. ;) We live right next door and have ringside seats.
Your "argument" such as it is, is that my offer of everything they asked for is unacceptable. And if I forward the money to H? and agree to let each of the four named H? members take one of my cities after the fact, allowing the "Grand Alliance" to have their much sought after pound of flesh, well...somehow that makes it all..."better." Except it's the same money and still four cities. ZERO difference from a practical POV. The offer stands. If they reject the terms of their own peace offer (plus the bonus equipment offered), that's on them. Yes? I'm willing to give up my personal fortune and fully 40% of the account I've worked on for a couple years now, in order to secure peace. That's my level of commitment to seeing it done. |
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| Aurordan
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 07:56 |
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Well, I'm not really "arguing" with you, as much as just telling you why I think this won't ever happen. Maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it, but maybe. It certainly didn't help that you stuck this up on the forum and took cracks at the people you're trying to negotiate with rather than, say igming ditto.
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| Rill
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 08:07 |
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It seems to me that the main problem with this approach is that neither side is involved with or committed to it. Speaking as someone who made the offer of giving up cities in the Consone war, it's usually pretty futile -- the two sides need to talk to each other directly.
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| Garth
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 11:13 |
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Simply put, it's not just about cities or currency; those are merely symbols. As symbols, it's what they represent that's essential; and what they represent is dictated by more than just their presence. IOW, the bat signal doesn't mean a thing, unless Commissioner Gordon is flashing it and Batman sees it.
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| Nokigon
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 11:24 |
This actually made me laugh out loud.
Do you SERIOUSLY believe that taking four cities will hurt Harmless physically and morally? Since the start of the war, they have lost 7mil pop (maybe more, my memory is hazy). I kinda doubt that taking four cities can send any message that isn't already been driven into their chest.
The taking of the four cities is a symbol, a further kick in the guts for Harmless to remind them that this time, THEY lost. It's more of a statement from the GA than a lesson for Harmless.
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| Hora
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 12:26 |
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Sorry Vel, but how humilating to H? it would be to first have to surrender, and then taking towns of a player being nice enough to offer his town?
It never is about the money! I had been on the loosing side in the war before this one. The debate, whether surrendering or not NEVER was about the reparations.
We felt we were on the right side, we felt we were the ones being attacked, we were sure the reasons of the war were orchestrated, and we thought we would give up this cause when surrendering.
All crap, when looking back at it now: We lost the war, learned that some actions of ourselves hadn't been that great, BUT STILL are sure we have been fighting on the right side
 . The reparation had been paid within 3 month or so (due to sieging times) and now we're back again anyway.
The only thing that still stands in the way to peace are EGOs... BIG egos of leaders of HUGE alliances.
Taking four towns, which they could take by force anyway, is definitly symbolic, and no so kind offer from you or Arctic would change anything to this...
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| Hora
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 12:32 |
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Oh, and Aurordan is right... sorry Vel, but comparing actions in a war game with violance against real people is quite bad taste IMO (hey, little secret: This is a game!)
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| Velociryx
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 12:58 |
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For the record, I don't disagree. The analogy is as tasteless as the current situation. That's why it was chosen, why it is apt, and why the situation should be ended immediately. ;)
And yes, it's just a game. And in that game, Illy is our big, extended family. Edited by Velociryx - 18 Jul 2014 at 13:06 |
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| Hora
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:14 |
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...just nope... ehm ... NO,... I mean: Don't you get it?! ...
... This was a
kind reminder, that such comparisons are definitly not appropriate, are not amusing, are totally away from the point, might irritate / confuse /
deeply insult people in here.
I won't discuss it any further, but for future reference my kindest advice is to
refrain from such comparisons, if you don't want to completly destroy your line of (possibly) valid points and have big parts of the forums seeing you as a troll...
Edited by Hora - 18 Jul 2014 at 13:16 |
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