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Originally posted by Ten Kulch Ten Kulch wrote:

The simple solution would be to raise Defy Death from 1% per level to 5%.

As long as the rolls are truly independent--which the fixed RNG code should ensure--any attempt to spam elite Heroism commanders will quickly run out of steam.

Simple is good.  

Of course, some of us math-inclined types enjoy a good expression with numerous variables.  As the blue GM mentioned earlier there needs to be a boundary (or asymptote) to avoid creating an indestructible commander.  For each level of Defy Death (currently 1%) can be raised to 5% per level through other bonuses, a number were mentioned in this thread (scroll up, ignore excessive textual sighing).

Potential bonuses to increase Defy Death:
  • Number of hit points (add positive bonus).
  • Measure of beat-down, was the failing army greatly outnumbered? (removes potential bonus)
  • Total level of the commander (add positive bonus).
Other suggestions:
  • Make the death-defying commander take the long walk home stripped of all gear.
  • Do not permit the commander to regenerate hit points until they return home (only when defying death).
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I like the idea of defy death gear.  Make it a mount.  Give it a % added to defy death.  If the commanders defy death skill fires have the mount take the hit instead of the commander, thus killing the mount (destroyed no chance to scavenge) and make the commander walk home.  Use some of the unused herbs, minerals or anatomies in the game for the mount recipe.  And you could even make a quest to get the recipe (just not one like Audrey that no one can figure out.)
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Originally posted by Jabob Jabob wrote:

I like the idea of defy death gear.  Make it a mount.  Give it a % added to defy death.  If the commanders defy death skill fires have the mount take the hit instead of the commander, thus killing the mount (destroyed no chance to scavenge) and make the commander walk home.  Use some of the unused herbs, minerals or anatomies in the game for the mount recipe.  And you could even make a quest to get the recipe (just not one like Audrey that no one can figure out.)


Or better, turn that steady warhorse into something useful.
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Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

Sigh!



Another thing in the game which is not as intended is the level of bare faced trolling that goes on - from the game rules:  posts with the intent to provoke or disrupt other players aka "trolling" are not allowed. Over the past few months, I have been taunted, called names, had sexual innuendos made against me and generally trolled at an industrial level that goes way beyond fair comment or analysis of my game tactics and the devs only response is to suggest I block these people in GC, so I cannot see myself being trolled but everyone else can.

Double sigh!

The ironic thing about your claim here is that you are trying to play the victim when you are the instigator, over the past few months, I myself have been labelled, Nazi, Terrorist, and the latest one from you yourseld applied to TCOL, ethinic cleansers. You want to come on here and cry foul when you are the one that started it all in this very forum for it, even asked by GM Cerb to stop. This supposed level of trolling is a creature you can call your own, as I have been harassed with those labels above myself since the very start of this war and you were the one that started it (check the numerous forum posts of your own for reference), im not going to cry about as you do, I  just fight back.  
As such you still have one of your towns named after one of the worst ethnic cleansing events that has ever occurred, maybe you should reflect on your own actions before hurling accusations at others. 

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Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

Defy death worked in a particular way. It may not have been the way intended but it had worked that way for 8 years. Wars had been won or lost on these mechanics.

Name one. A war that was won or lost on the Defy Death mechanic doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

Strategies had been developed on these mechanics. ... In the middle of a war, at the behest of The SINdicate, the devs have altered the dynamics to reduce the effectiveness of elite attacks against big sieging armies without consulting the game at large. Its effect, if not its intent, favours one side. It stinks.

"Strategy" is generous. You discovered an exploitable bug, and instead of reporting it, you chose to systematically abuse that bug across two dozen different accounts. That stinks. There should be no sympathy for anyone who exploited that bug. Do you really think the devs should allow you to continue abusing a code malfunction to create an actual advantage in the game? "Everyone can use it," is not an acceptable argument. They squashed the bug, case closed.

For those wondering, the Defy Death bug wasn't a game-breaking problem until the 5x equipment update. That update poured gasoline on the spark, allowing a 61 troop army with 4 deathless commanders to attack like 1000 troops. As a single shot gambit that's fine. Exploiting the defect to strike over and over without waiting for resurrection time (the intended balancing factor) made the knowledge of how to systematically trigger the bug more valuable than all the troops you were producing in your cities.

At that point, you fix the bug, period.
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Steering away from bashing on Hucbold's complaining, I also don't think we should try to "balance" low level commanders and high level commanders. I think high level commanders should have an inherent advantage. 
You could make a case that having 20 dead commanders at level 25 ready to go within an hour is playing the system. Not that I think that should go away, I think there needs to be more incentive to have high level commanders.


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Originally posted by AdmiralRage AdmiralRage wrote:

Steering away from bashing on Hucbold's complaining, I also don't think we should try to "balance" low level commanders and high level commanders. I think high level commanders should have an inherent advantage.


Some people want that balancing because they either think that it will help in emergency (which it should not), or because they think it will help new players (who have no chance of surviving against someone who has played even 6 months with or without this balancing).
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This thread is turning into another bash Hucbold fest from the alliances who deliberately go out of their way to personally harass, humiliate and deride other players at every opportunity. There is no need for us tolerate this anymore. We should keep a record and report it. Where there is long delay in GM's  taking action on these reports then we should band together and force their hand! Some of these practises must stop before this game gets a reputation. 
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Originally posted by OssianII OssianII wrote:

This thread is turning into another bash Hucbold fest from the alliances who deliberately go out of their way to personally harass, humiliate and deride other players at every opportunity. There is no need for us tolerate this anymore. We should keep a record and report it. Where there is long delay in GM's  taking action on these reports then we should band together and force their hand! Some of these practises must stop before this game gets a reputation. 

Ossian, this thread was a discussion of the fixed exploit regarding Defy Death.  Hucbold then derided SIN, blaming them for influencing the GM to fix a known exploit in the game that he admitted to using as part of their strategy.  The simple fact of the matter is that Defy Death was not working properly.  The period of time it was not working properly does not matter, and using the fact that it was not working as intended is an exploit plain as day.  

I do not see how that wouldn't be construed as his fault, and while he may have a point in the length of time in which this went unfixed, he is absolutely wrong in his assertion that it had some malicious intent to punish him behind it.  

TLDR - Defy Death was broken, now it's fixed, some people are mad that they can no longer exploit the fact that it's broken but it was never labeled to do anything more than it does now so the burden of the consequences are on them.
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Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

Sigh!

Another thing in the game which is not as intended is the level of bare faced trolling that goes on - from the game rules:  posts with the intent to provoke or disrupt other players aka "trolling" are not allowed. Over the past few months, I have been taunted, called names, had sexual innuendos made against me and generally trolled at an industrial level that goes way beyond fair comment or analysis of my game tactics and the devs only response is to suggest I block these people in GC, so I cannot see myself being trolled but everyone else can.

Double sigh!

Wow! Speaking of TROLLING someone. Remember this city, Huc? Seems to me like you are just as guilty.


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